I think some people are missing a point here. Yes, a donation was made for $1150.00. There is another roughly $3000.00 that was supposed to have been donated months ago. It wasn’t. It was spent.
not only spent, but spent on protos for upcoming vsnyyc throws instaed of going toward cancer research.
I am in full agreement with MrDynamic and I think everyone needs to understand the consequences in this. It isn’t just oh I borrowed money from someone without there permission. This was a charity drive gone rogue. This money would have not been raised if the nature of its use was disclosed. I hope the younger members learn a valuable lesson from the outcome of this and that history does not repeat itself.
Yes, i do understand this. I’m just saying it’s good he’s started to try and fix the problems he caused. it may be a small step, but it’s step in the right direction, and that is undebatable.
Look, there is no reason to attack me on what I said. I was going off of what was said by Heath:
It can’t be a second payment if there was no first. This is the only payment. I also never said I WANTED criminal proceedings to happen, I said that this opens him up to them. I have stated nothing more than fact. In the end it is up to the victims of this issue to figure out how to proceed. That would be the product donors and the purchasers. While it is all well and good for the average fan of VsNYYC to forgive, the victims are probably not so inclined. All of them gave, in some cases quite a large amount, due in no small part to the fact that this was a Cancer Charity drive. I am willing to bet that quite a few did so because their lives have been touched by cancer in some way. Something like this will effect them in personal ways which will not lend to blind forgiveness nor an extension of time to make it right.
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Stolen. In the name of charity. It wasn’t his money to spend. Let’s be clear.
And as little as a week ago he was still claiming that he donated money, ie, trying to get away with it. I’m glad he confessed, but he is still being vague and has not done a full public accounting of the money and I sense the confession only came because we finally put extreme pressure on him. We only know it’s $4300 because someone took the time to look at all the auctions and add it up, not because he has ever done a public accounting - even up until this moment.
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I think there should be a poll for ONLY the victims to decide how they would like to proceed in this issue.
Just to spell it out again,
- Heath didn’t donate any money until yesterday - that was the first donation.
- Heath spent the charity money. He hasn’t said what he spent it on, but he has personally spent charity money that was supposed to go to the American Cancer Society.
- Heath lied an untold number of times about past donations that never happened. He didn’t “lose the receipt.” He simply never donated the money and spent it instead.
- Heath still has more than $3000 left to donate.
Additionally, Heath hasn’t simply and straightforwardly owned up to what he did. He stole people’s money. This was money set aside for cancer. He then produced a string of lies to cover it up. Plain and simple.
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Spending over $3000 for personal use that was obtained from a charity drive isn’t a mistake or an oversight, it is fraud. Fraud is a crime and I hope it is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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As a person that was touched by cancer 2 weeks ago, I feel extremely disturbed by this whole situation.
The suggestion that Heath should take his time in paying the money to ACS and not worry about credit card debt is ludicrous. Right the wrong as quickly as possible, whatever means necessary.
I am not interested in slinging mud or calling people out. I’m also not interested in excuses. Do what’s right and accept the consequences of the action.
This makes me sad…
When i read this, it saddens me. But VSNYYC will never recover. It reminded me of a quote by Captain Jack Sparrow…
" Me? I’m dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It’s the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they’re going to do something incredibly… stupid."
But which was heath?
This is ridiculous. It’s affecting the entire community. The original point of his company was to donate to charity. Anyone who ever bought a yoyo from him is affected by this. This throws a shadow over this entire community, and I’m furious about it. Heath lied directly to my face at Worlds this year about the entire thing. He needs to come up with all of the money, regardless of what kind of debt it puts him in. And prosecution should definitely be on the table.
There is no poll to be made… the victims will either press charges or they won’t. That is not something that is up for debate here in a forum.
Nathan and J-Rod both make excellent points on this. I was never directly effected by this but I feel used none the less. I took my time to post about it on HSYY and promote a cause that I believed in. I felt that I should do my part even though I didn’t have the money to actually make a bid on one of the yo-yos.
it was only an idea. i meant no offense. i thought it would be better to have the yoyo community that actually spent money on thi cause to vote on what they should do next instead of multiple member making lawsuits against him. i personally do not want heath to go to jail or be in debt. nor do a want do deprive the cancer resaerch 4 grand. the answer: i dont know. many people have many different opinions and thoughts on what next. i hope a resolution is found
Any remaining throws should be sold and all moneys, not just profit should be donated.
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I don’t think that is a solution… unfortunately the VsNYYC name is ruined. The demand is bound to tank as word spreads. I just don’t see many people buying at this time especially if it is done directly through Heath; the trust for him to actually donate the money is just not there.
No the throws need to be pieced out from another dependable source. People will still buy them just not for hundreds of dollars. Set a price that will sell fast.
disgraceful
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I made that statement under the Understanding that this was the 2nd payment and therefore putting heath a few hundred away from the full balance Which can be resolved in a week without credit or loans. He stated that this was the second payment, but now it looks like it is otherwise? Which is it. Did he start the apology with another lie? If he is 3k out, then his wages need to be garnished by order of a court.
I am still confused. How much total has been given total? If this was the only payment, why did he say this was the second?