Modern Responsive

Okay real quick thank you @TommyBwell for posting Bout the beacon. I had forgot I had one it was just on the shelf away. But I picked it up and threw it and got dang it’s fun. I think
I need a second cause it’s a decent looper actually.

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I hit myself looping enough that metal loopers frighten me.

These looks pretty cool.

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They do hurt a tad lol. Still fun.

Unrelated note a certain factory of yoyo has a responsive sale if your just itching to get another dv888 or confusion or grind machine with that sweet cork response.

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A friend and I were talking the other night and the question came up are all new responsive yoyos modern responsives? What makes a yoyo a modern responsive yoyo?

I would say yes, if; They are designed/intended or can be played both 0A and 1A style of play.

My definition of Modern Responsive is that it splits the gap between the two styles.

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i think modern responsive = 0a = a style of play. Not a category of yoyo.

Some recently released responsive yoyos I’ve played with have not seemed responsive enough for me to do modern responsive tricks, but I’ve seen others use them for that sort of trick, so it’s not a problem with the yoyo. But, i don’t think there’s an “official” line on this. The reason we have categories like 1a, 2a, is the competitions, and i don’t think they do a category called 0a. However, i did hear someone say that Kyle Nations was the fixed axle champion.

I feel like modern responsive tricks are nearly the same as fixed axle tricks. Of course, they more i type this, the more i see why you might say something like “modern responsive yoyos are responsive yoyos that easily (or are designed to) perform fixed axle style tricks.” so, i guess I’m not as certain as i was at the beginning of this post.

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I think string gap should be big part of it. I would have said 2mm to 3.5mm but my beloved butterfly AL’s are 4mm. Do fixed axels count or does it need a bearing. I think part of “modern” would include a bearing.

I agree with @safetypin that modern responsive just refers to a style of play, and not any specific type of yoyo. Modern responsive and 0A are interchangeable terms.

You can play modern responsive with a fixed axle yoyo or a greased up full width C bearing.

I think modern responsive as a term is just to try and give responsive yoyoing more of its own identity to grow into. Where there’s a perception that responsive yoyoing can’t be complex, and that it’s just for beginners. Modern responsive as a term was to show that responsive yoyoing has evolved and can keep growing more interesting/complex/creative with time, just like unresponsive yoyoing. That modern responsive yoyoing is so much more than just gravity pulls/rock the baby/picture tricks/split the atom/i.e. the string tricks people were doing in the 90s and earlier.

A modern responsive yoyo release is just any yoyo release intended for this style of play, instead of just having the responsive setting being for beginners who can’t yet bind.

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I’ll go the other way on this. When I got back into yoyos after a fifty year hiatus there were two modern features that separated a Butterfly AL from the one played with as a kid. Aluminum and ball bearings. I soon found Doc Pop and that gave me a direction, modern responsive. I went about amassing a collection of modern responsive yoyos.

If we look at modern responsive as a style then I am in trouble. I have posted in a couple of threads that I like to see the yoyo moving. I don’t care for stalls which I think would have to be an integral part of modern responsive play. What else is modern about our current style of play?

For me I like modern yoyos that are responsive. There is nothing modern about the way I play. I prefer old school tricks and just flowing one handed.

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Modern responsive to me just simply means a responsive yoyo that is CNC machined and has a bearing, suitable for 0A tricks. 0A meaning not only very old responsive tricks but the new ones too. Especially the new.

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I just assumed modern responsive meant responsive with a bearing and here’s why:

Saying “0A 5A” doesn’t make sense, but “modern responsive 5A” or “fixed axle 5A” does, and is a way to differentiate the two.

So, 0A = modern responsive(bearing) + fixed axle

…but I don’t know :man_shrugging:

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Modern responsive is whatever us the consumers and the yoyo makers decide to define it. We could set the definition here and now and in a decade this might be the source of said definition in some wiki one day.

That or someone in the competitive scene goes hard on a 0A performance and redefines whatever they want cause it is enough to swing emotions and minds.

With that said I see modern responsive as new age materials or manufacturing process used to create a long spinning yet responsive yoyo.

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Actually, the more I think about this, I don’t think fixed axle and bearing responsive should be grouped together into one style. You can do any fixed axle trick on a bearing responsive yo-yo, but you can’t do every bearing responsive trick on a fixed axle yo-yo. So, I think bearing responsive, “modern responsive”, should either be a sub-style, or I propose the following:

0A - fixed axle
1/2A - modern responsive
5 1/2A - modern responsive 5A

Edit:
Now that I think about it even more, call everything whatever you want. I’m just a guy throwing my Butterfly in the woods.

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Ed, Drew, Kentaro, and even younger fixie players can get more spin out of a fixed axle yoyo than most players can get out of a small bearing responsive. So on paper while I agree tricks could be different, I don’t think bearings are currently making much of a difference between tricks.

Responsive freehand and those other styles are so niche I don’t think they need extra identification jargon. It’s more of a mouthful, but that’s why I think modern responsive is a better term than 0A. People know what responsive yoyoing is, but a lot of people still seem confused about what’s 0A vs what’s 1A.

Connor Seals on Instagram: "Modern tricks with a 100% wooden fixed axle yoyo Yoyo: TMBR Baldwin @playtmbr String: Kitty String Normal @kittystring.official" here’s Connor Seals playing with a wooden fixed axle yoyo. Is he throwing 1A or 0A? It’s easier to just say modern responsive since he’s using a responsive yoyo and doing modern tricks.

Edit: well really it’s just easiest to say he’s simply playing yoyo, instead of trying to put a label on it lol.

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I was just imagining if 0A grew to a point that it was in a competition. If it did, it doesn’t seem fair to have fixed axle players compete against bearing responsive players. Players that can throw long sleepers on fixed axle can throw even longer sleepers on bearing responsives, and I think it would be enough to make an unfair advantage.

However, I really don’t care what anyone calls anything. It doesn’t affect me. It’s all good.

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What are the differences between the MK1/SW RBC and those still available elsewhere?

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I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure there’s only one version of the RBC, and its the only one available anywhere. Ive heard of other yoyo companies releasing very slightly different versions of the same yoyo without changing the name, but i think that’s pretty rare.

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It’s the only yoyo of its kind that I’m aware of. If you know where there are others available, spill the beans! :rofl:

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If you are referring to #1 & 1.5, I was trying to emphasize it’s my favorite responsive. The YYE editions are just colorways exclusive to them. There is the wooden version that the RBC was designed after called the Bloodcell but that is a Fixed-Axle hand made by @Glenacius_K who is Spinworthy.

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Yeah rbc is top of its class at the moment if Glenn would release a harbinger shaped version I could imagine that might beat the rbc and push my weekender to the shelf personally.

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