It is a red one, at least that’s what the picture showed.
I’d love to have one as I am, Mr Butcher. lol
That’s what my last name means in French.
kgb
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Well I guess that’s all the evidence we need then. 
The US legal system is built on the notion of innocent until proven guilty and we don’t allow vigilantism even if you have “proof” of guilt. You can’t just rally a bunch of internet goons with digital torches and pitchforks to extract “justice” based solely on allegations; we have a “legal system” not a “justice system”. You literally posted his name and address, accused him of a crime, then threatened him with blackmail, and encouraged others to join in. Just wow.
Are you willing to encourage others to risk it? While there are probably few laws explicitly forbidding “doxxing” by that term as it is a relatively new category of crime (even though there are 50 states, each with their own statutes), it perfectly falls under existing laws around harassment, stalking, and more recently cyber-bullying, to name just a few. California PC 653.2 law is just one example addressing this.
I am beyond disappointed in this forum right now.
The correct thing to do would have been to keep all this information private and restricted to the relevant parties. But, now that I’ve got the guys name and address, maybe I’ll send him a letter with a print out of this thread. It would pure irony if he pressed charges.
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Well then, now that you have an address, get on the phone and call the sheriff in that town. File a report and ask the sheriff to contact the dude. Send your docs, conversations and paypal log to the police. It seems to be a small town, which is to your advantage. Also, there’s a good chance that the guy still lives there, since that address comes out when searching for his name on Google.
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Wow.
I threatened him?
Blackmail?
You sure have an interesting view on this.
His address was posted so those of us who were scammed, not you by the way but again thank you for trying to make the world a better place…, could contact the local authorities.
I told the guy via chat in the Venmo app that I know where he lives and that I would be contacting the local authorities in 24 hours if he didn’t either return the money he took or provide the item he was supposed to send me. No threats were made. You could call it an ultimatum, a promise or simply a statement of fact. I have no intention of traveling there. I’ve made no threats. I’m a guy trying to get my money back from a thief as are others here.
Cyber bullying?!?!
Jeez dude
Seriously. I’m the one who had money stolen but somehow I’m in the wrong for trying to get it back?
It’d be a lot cooler if you concentrated this amount of effort helping those who were wronged rather than telling us how messed up we are for trying to get our money back from this guy.
kgb
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Dude just move on and call the police, enough chit-chatting here. Work to get your money back!
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Agreed
I told him I’d give him 24 hours before I contacted the authorities.
kgb
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Really? You are going to “authorities” over $140 that you claim was scammed from you? I am not sure what your experience is with law-enforcement, but I would not anticipate much action on their part.
Threats are illogical. The reality is that there is very little that you can do outside of the Venmo universe.
I would concentrate my efforts on ensuring that Venmo does not allow this person to use their infrastructure to scam others.
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in short, yes.
when someone steals money from you, it should be reported to the police.
i understand that this is “only” $140, but combined with the other 3 people that he also got money from it adds up. maybe to the point the local police will go talk to him.
again, no threats were made.
Venmo is saying they can’t do anything and to contact the local authorities…so that’s what I’ll do. I’ll see what they need for proof and if I have enough then I’ll file a report and maybe they’ll help us get our money back. maybe they’ll laugh at me and tell me they have more important police work to do. who knows.
kgb
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@YoyoGeezer dude I went to the authorities this summer about about 950$ that I claimed was scammed from me and a few other people. The sheriff and his assistant were very nice, didn’t laugh at it at all, contacted the scammer and got him to ship a whole bunch of yoyos to all of us. And then the police followed up - seriously they did their job very well, there was nothing to complain about. I can understand that in other locations the police has more important work to do, but in a small town like this he has some decent chances that the police will follow-up.
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And not to mention, if a tiny amount of work on your part can get you $140 back, and help others get their money back as well, it’s totally worth it - why wouldn’t you do that? I think there’s a good probability of it happening too, cause like @Pierre said, it’s a small town and they usually don’t have much else going on.
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While I don’t approve of the actions some people here have taken and think some things should have stayed in DM or have been withheld before posting for at least some time longer, I think you’re inflating their actions. Threatening with blackmail would involve an actual threat and not just essentially a warning that you’re going to reach out through the legal system. The legal system, which is meant to uphold justness - as the users who have been scammed intend for it to do.
As for the accusation - seeing as he has shown no intent to ship the items or refund the purchases (or even communicate on the forums or venmo, evidently), this falls under the same label as simply reporting an ebay scammer, or even, y’know, negative feedback on the forums rather than an accusation. Even if the items are miraculously shipped, he’d need a hell of an excuse for the delays he’s had, and if it isn’t good enough or if it’s fishy, then the possibility of getting of getting scammed is worth warning people about.
With regards to the doxxing - this is where I will have to agree on the actions taken being injust. What ought to have been done was to send the info to the others scammed, and then releasing part of it after the entire situation had been resolved, but only if the guy truly was running a scam and it was as good as confirmed by local authorities.
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could’ve just direct messaged it too lol
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What small-town Sheriff was that? Mayberry USA? Seriously, any metro-area police will ignore this type of complaint.
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Man, 5 minutes of googling legal information could have proven this statement to be false.
Now, the chances this “criminal” pursues a counter-claim is exactly 0%, but it’s good practice to not engage in this type of behavior at all for when the stakes are actually higher. The fact that NitroBobby is going ballistic over $140 is laughable, but I realize there are kids on this site and that’s a lot of lunch money to them.
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Ha, if you had listened to my advice you wouldn’t even be in this mess.
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Well, under Canadian laws at least, “a threat to institute civil proceedings is not a threat for the purposes of this section.”
I know most people in this thread aren’t Canadian, but that’s where I checked myself off of, since that’s what’s relevant to me.
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I don’t think acting smug towards people who got scammed is benefiting anyone.
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I totally disagree.
Though I concur that the local authorities would file that complaint at the bottom of the pile. A couple of years ago some kids broke into my locker at the gym. They took my wallet, watch and remote car key. The cop who responded took down info and gave me a case number card and basically said “good luck with that.” The watch and the remote key were worth about $500.
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It’s not good to publicly post people’s addresses on forums. To me that makes a forum less safe. That should’ve stayed in direct messages.
That said, I dealt with Andrew years ago when I was local in Louisiana but we never met in person. I would’ve privately offered up his address to the concerned parties here (but, again, not publicly posted it) if I could find it. I looked but couldn’t find his address because it was so long ago.
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Ok, I pretty much read ‘most’ of the posts in this thread.
A few thoughts(and I am certainly no legal guardian)(just a somewhat wise old man).
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Nobody I know likes GETTING RIPPED! <> like in Nobody. Honest by nature folks happen to seriously resent thieves. Victims don’t have to just sit and eat the loss, without at least first making an effort to recover their investment… Or at the very least, try to shut down the punk so others won’t get RIPPED in the future.
…….Here is ‘the thing’ about thieves. The only thing that stops their thievery is death by natural causes… Thievery is not always by necessity. It’s more often by habit and compulsion. Thieves actually get thrills from pulling off their ill deeds. -
Singling out the loss of one person($140) is very short sighted and a poor view of reality. This clown(enjoit) is doing just that. He’s enjoying it/crime with no punishment. If you got a good internet Detective, I have no doubt this genius is working several different internet sites he can use for revenue streams. This guy won’t scare easy because he doesn’t care. He doesn’t have a reputation to protect. He Already has a reputation…… He’s a felon, lol.
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Don’t look now but I got a little news for you guys. If you look up United States Code ‘Article 18’ it says that there are 2 primary methods of fraud involving communication: Mail Fraud and Electronic Fraud. Electronic Fraud is Called ‘Wire Fraud’. And…. If it involves ripping off somebody from another State, it is called Interstate Wire Fraud<<<>>> classified as a Federal crime.
…Using an electronic device such as a computer, tablet or cell phone is consider wire fraud.
I don’t see anything wrong with trying to hunt this sucker down.I also don’t think it was a very good idea to post up his address. The address should only be sent others that got shorted in a deal.
Shrugging your shoulders and chalking it up to experience is ‘his’ dream come true. The very best victims are those that just move on and give the thieves more momentum.
Each of the ‘burn victims’ should ask around in their cities/towns/villages to find out what Law Enforcement type of Authority might listen to them. Blow past those who could care less. You have a short list of Wire Fraud/multiple victims/over a length of time, etc. Someone will listen.
Every person involved does not have to achieve the same results. As long as somebody listens to at least one victim, that person can be introduced to the rest of the victims.
Thieves and liars are 2 very low levels on the food chain. But they will eat your lunch right in front of you and then tell you they didn’t do it.
Make an effort to get this punk to square up… He won’t quit without ‘seeing the error of his ways’.
If he even thinks he may get snagged on a Warrant for Wire Fraud, he will learn to dance nice in a hot minute.
As long as this guy sees no consequence there is no reason to change…
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