I see that the YYR Triad is in stock again. If you are reading this thread; and do not own a Triad - seriously: get one. It is the best plastic/metal available today. I find I throw it more than my Draupnir because it plays almost as well and it is not the end of the world if I ding it. Truly, a wonderful yoyo.
To take this thread back off track, has anyone ordered a Palpitation or Phaser? Phaser only mildly interests me, but huge fan of Takeshi’s 1A and the Palpitation looks like a cool shape. Both seem fairly old fashioned and basic compared to the Draupnir and Laser though, especially the Palpitation which is ¥24,800. Hugely expensive for a raw yoyo with a basic weight ring in cup design.
BTW, getting a Phaser tomorrow. Missed signing for it today. I’ll let you know my initial impressions…maybe even go crazy and write a review, who knows.
As far as the Palpitation I would definitely get one if I didn’t have an Isotope 2. It’s basically a slightly tweaked Isotope 2. I have no idea what you mean saying the design is old-fashioned and less advanced than the Draupnir. The Draupnir is just a step-straight bi-metal, about as simple as a bi-metal design can get. The Palpitation cuts are significantly more complex. Just check out some profile pics of it.
Steps aren’t complicated. What’s complicated is the machining and fitment necessary for the Draupnir and Laser to work as intended. It’s far more precise than just sticking a ring into the cup and calling it a day.
The research and machining necessary to do something like that, and have it be as smooth and amazing as the Draupnir is, is light years ahead of what Something and Turning Point are still working on.
That is a very unsatisfying answer. How is the Laser (or Draupnir) light years ahead of Turning Point? Just because they’re theoretically harder to machine? The Isotope 2 (and probably palpitation) has a more complicated cut and is dead smooth. The press fit of the rings is different but I think the Isotope 2 is better than the Laser. Whether it’s better than the Draupnir is another question which IMO has nothing to do with the complexity of its machining. I slightly prefer the Draupnir because it’s lighter but there’s nothing particularly special about it as far as Japanese bimetals go.
There are other companies besides YYR using weight rings encircling the rim, like Sturm Panzer. Or even Yoyojam, way before YYR.
I think that the complexity of machining may be what he is talking about. Look at the Laser compared to the simple weight-ring inserted onto the inner-rim of the TP. The Laser is two pieces of different metal combined together to make a single yoyo form. It is way more complex than anything I have seen from TP. Perhaps that is why they have made so few.
Speaking of this, wat exactly does YYJs patent include? I know only for sure plastic+outer rim ring (triad) and maybe iirc halfway outer ring w either metal or plastic (phenom, izm etc, no non-yyj examples yet), and not inner ring (protostar, anglam, laser).
but wat about outer rim ring on metal body (next level, draupnir)?
Everyone go do what Geezer said…go get yourself a Triad!!!
I got this a few days ago off the BST and I have to say that this is easily the best Plastic/metal yoyo ever…it’s seriously just too good. Plus this neon yellow looks amazing! These are pretty uncommon to find here on the BST so go to YYR and get one. It’s easily worth the price tag IMO.
It’s not a matter of better, although i’d argue getting the secondary metal to the very outside of the rim like the Draupnir is better than fitting it inside. It’s more about the machining and accuracy required to manufacture the Draupnir versus a press fit ring. ¥24,800 for a press fit ring yoyo is just silly when the Draupnir is ¥19,800 and far more difficult to machine. The Laser again is a complex design, and manages to be priced far less than we’re seeing with some of these other bimetals.
How much was the Catch 22? Did it lead to huge runs of bimetal YYF throws, or was it a limited release because of the complexity?