The pitch for this yo-yo can still be found in certain website museum sections, and it seems indistinguishable from how the current wave of wide yo-tops are being sold: great for big, showy tricks and not as bad for other things as you might assume.
Did these yo-yos not deliver? Was the audience not there? Did they do fine until widths oscillated back towards narrow?
C3 has been at it with these wide yo-yos this whole time. It’s a configuration that people have had plenty of chances to decide is or isn’t what they want in a yo-yo.
I was putting together a Google sheet of yoyos used, their specs, player scores, along with some other details for mostly 1a for a while. Got a reasonably complete list up to maybe 2014 or so.
Here we are talking about who buys the yo-yo’s or who wants them bought for them, maybe? No never, cause if we “Older” folks buy our own yoyo we probably are in that group of people on this forum that are bias to one side of the throw. Under50mm) Think about that anyone, of course we like older nostalgic throws and styles and kids like new ■■■■, I think it’s that simple. When you’re buying as a newbie to yo-yoing and being young it’s gonna go towards what we have now on the market, WIDE like nobody wants. But we older folks we collect and respect all these aspects of yoyo. Maybe we can’t get lost in the new hip movement but maybe we will! For me I’m just not a fan of the pushy way it’s going out sometimes. Dude can’t even keep track of what yo-yo he should promote cause so many were released in such a short time. Let’s stay Logic!
Re: Brandon Vu, I’m often reminded of this comment from him when the topic of wide yo-yos comes up:
Re: the poll, it seems like a fairly even bell curve spanning the most common currently available yo-yo widths. This doesn’t strike me as likely to be biased in a particular way.
I have it the other way around. When I see a new release of a cool looking yoyo and see the width is less than 47mm I totally don’t care for it anymore.
I’m not on the team thay thinks every yoyo should be 60mm wide, but I wouldn’t compete with a yoyo more narrow than 47mm, probably not more narrow then 50mm.
And in the realm of “comfy, fun, good, narrow yoyo’s” we have already had plenty and I have enough stuff in my collection of that kind.
I understand. The yoyo community is divided right now on widths..The part I qouted though, that sounds like how people tell me “Why do you need another yoyo?” There’s never enough!
I think you should complete ignore this poll cause it’s not representative.
We’re talking on a forum on the internet. That’s for old people (on average). And older throwers like to be a bit retro and honestly a bit stubborn about new trends.
If you’d poll every yoyo player the results would be completely different from this poll.
I’ve taken a look at what the top 20 players in 1a used this year. It ranges from 46 to 60mm with a average of 51mm width. It seems to increase a little over 1mm each year.
There may be more players at worlds using wide yoyos but overall what is everyone using in their living rooms is the question. I’m pretty sure theres more casual throwers overall than there are players hunting for the newest widest innovations.
Fwiw, I think most people who enjoy comp yo-yos still use them when they want to relax in their living room. They may throw in some time with an organic or experimental design every so often but I certainly prefer chilling with my performant yo-yos over a typical organic.
I think the biggest portion of the active yo-yo scene is probably kids who like comp tricks and probably got into yo-yoing via social media/contest videos. And they typically want wide, stable, powerful comp yo-yos .
As for the question of how well wide yoyos are selling, Offset and W1LD stuff seem to sell pretty quickly, in pretty big volumes rather reliably. This doesn’t really seem like a change though, there’s always been brands focused on comp style yoyos that “old heads" decried as being boring/soulless/etc and other brands who focused on organics/”casual” yo-yos which comp focused yo-yoers complained performed poorly. The only change here really is that the comp yo-yos are even more wide compared to the “casual” yo-yos than they already were in the past.
I don’t think that’s really true, casuals and older yoyoers aren’t the same thing they just overlap. And the kids getting into yo-yos that will replace us all watch pro yoyoers on IG and YouTube, just like when I was a kid we idolized team YYJ and YYF and wanted to yoyo like them.
There probably aren’t many kids/teens who get into yo-yoing now and think “man I want that new fixed axle or organic that just came out.”
When people on here see an Offset yo-yo and scoff at it for its width and short form content promotion, a kid at a yoyo meet is thinking “why would anyone care about an AR-T, who is buying that?”
And I think it’s a safe bet that there are more children picking yo-yoing up than adults discovering or re-discovering it.
Im not speaking in terms of being positive at because it’s all just educated guessing. I do know one thing, YYE is one of the largest online yoyo retailers for the entire community. The yoyos that I see sell out the fastest are typically organic yoyos or yoyos certain collectors want.
Another thing in terms of more kids coming into the hobby. I recently heard Hunter say on a live stream that this year the number of people competing in contests is down from years in the past. It’s hard to say what community there is more of between collectors/boomers/competitors.
Im not really sure still what’s most preferred. This can go on and on and I don’t think we’ll ever figure it out.
Many new yoyo players are getting yoyos like Magicyoyo, the influencer ones, etc.. MYY Y04 is their widest at 52mm, while the V13 shrank to 47.26 from the V12’s 49.60. Outlier+, Deviant+, Ultracut, Shy, all at 50mm.
My 9yo nibling who made a beeline for the DNA with the K2 Crystal and I thought stopped there, apparently has been watching Brandon Vu and Gentry Stein. It spurred starting with fundamentals, all on their own. So I gave them a MYY V12, it’s 49.6mm wide, which can clear double or nothing with short fingers. For many of those kids, there is a practical width limit.
Personally, I think LEP/Jigun a co Japan/Chinese brand is my choice for a brand making the most ideal spec yoyos which is why I would recommend them. The Onigokko3 and Marina9 are two recent releases since 2025 WYYC have really impress me as favorites of the year. The specs on these two pretty much set the standard for the most ideal throws. Also, the Bi Polar, Insignia 2.0, Glory Insignia, PC Rumbling all deserve some positive comments. As far as width 48 to 52mm is my maximum for playable yoyos. The Glory Insignia, Julyyoyo OverLap Pro, Insignia 2.0, YyF GenPop aka Zenpop, W1LD Wilderness 7075 all hit this 52 mm width max for me. 2026 is going to be interesting to see where things are going .
