Shame on PROMASTER

[yoyospirit]

@Apollo2

@dingo54

@Apollo2

@dingo54

@Apollo2

@Totalartist

@PROMASTER

Okay first of all he’s a freakin liar he said the axiom was mint and I got it with dings ALL over it an second of all it had like 2 small sets of pinpricks when I shipped it and I packaged it with newspaper coating the entire freaking package this man is a liar and he has u all looking like I am the bad guy he’s the real enemy he dropped it somewhere along the line because he claims to have it to be a bent axle and he’s a noob because usually that causes a vibe and he acts all dumb sayin" how can I fix it" like dude you obviously don’t know what ur talking about because u shipped badly to not just me I don’t even want that piece of scrap metal I already traded it for a go big and THAT was better than a Katz meow

This incident is rather bizarre. There is a buyer (Apollo2), who gave the seller (Promaster) positive feedback for a transaction, but later claims there is an excessive vibe problem, and he wants to change the feedback. Apollo2 claims that his feedback was left, before he knew how the yo-yo was supposed to play, AND he stated that he gave positive feedback to avoid receiving retaliatory negative feedback. But, in his feedback he stated:

“Just, totally, awesome! Great trader! Would trade again!”

Someone who feared retaliatory feedback might write something a lot less than awesome like, “got the yo-yo thanks,” or “he shipped it…cool.” But, to write “totally awesome…great trader…would trade again?” :-\

Vibe is subjective, and I own several of the same model yo-yo and they are not all equally smooth. That is something to consider.

I have a problem with the dates I see. Apollo2 left the feedback for Promaster on March 12th, but he shows an email on March 28th with a statement Promaster wrote. My question is whether Apollo2 left feedback for Promaster, played with the yo-yo for a few weeks, and raised this issue just recently on March 28th. If so, it might appear that Apollo2 was satisfied with the yo-yo at one time, left feedback, and then something happened to the yo-yo in the next few weeks.

Then, when Promaster responds to this in the quote above, he says he packed the box with newspaper, although his email to Apollo2 says that someone else packed the box. :-\ He did not address whether he advertised that the stock axle was switched out prior to the deal. Then he stated, “u shipped badly to.” Does that mean that he is admitting to reckless packing? Also, he now says there is a problem with the yo-yo Apollo2 sent him. But, did he raise that issue before Apollo2 made this thread?

This might just be a case of lessons learned:

1. Pack the boxes yourselves, and pack better, in a box to avoid these issues in the future.
2. Do not give feedback prematurely, inspect and play the yo-yo prior to issuing feedback.
3. If the yo-yo does not have all the stock parts, advertise as such to the extent you are aware.

The list goes on.

My packaging was ideal, I wrapped each half of the yoyo in tissue paper, then put the axle and bearing in a plastic bag, followed by putting it in a cushioned envelope.

Anyone notice he just mentions his packaging but not a word about waiting so long to report this and the great feedback?

U had no probs besides the vibe, and I was talking to Robbie Graham in chat and he told me that his was smooth, which made me realize that there was a problem. It was my first trade and I was hyped up and left positive feedback, which was premature

Still, leave neutral. If he leaves bad feedback wrongly, you can report it and you know that. And why would you leave feedback before getting and/or inspecting the yoyo(s)?

because I thought it was just a vibey yoyo, all I want from this dude is an apology and a new axle

If he doesn’t send you a new axle, I’d be willing to cut and send you one.

[Preinfalk]

Ok, so from what I’m looking at, the katz meow may have been damaged in the mail, but it would be the fault of the sender. If a yoyo is fully assembled in a package envelope, then it could easily have something heavy set on it, thus, damaging the yoyo, and bending the axle. This would cause the vibe. Take a look at this

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa447/Page_Preinfalk/damage_zpsbe8d8642.jpg

If there’s damage like that on the bearing seat, and a bent axle, it means something heavy crushed the bearing into the seat during transit.

This would fall on the sender, as in my experience, yoyos in packages Should always be taken apart, to avoid such damage. Newspaper just isn’t good enough.

As for the damage on the axiom, if it was wrapped as well as he said it was, then the damage was not from transit, and was either lied about, or exaggerated about. Obviously I can’t get into it, as I don’t know the situation around it before and after.

[Apollo2]

@Preinfalk

Ok, so from what I’m looking at, the katz meow may have been damaged in the mail, but it would be the fault of the sender. If a yoyo is fully assembled in a package envelope, then it could easily have something heavy set on it, thus, damaging the yoyo, and bending the axle. This would cause the vibe. Take a look at this

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa447/Page_Preinfalk/damage_zpsbe8d8642.jpg

If there’s damage like that on the bearing seat, and a bent axle, it means something heavy crushed the bearing into the seat during transit.

This would fall on the sender, as in my experience, yoyos in packages Should always be taken apart, to avoid such damage. Newspaper just isn’t good enough.

As for the damage on the axiom, if it was wrapped as well as he said it was, then the damage was not from transit, and was either lied about, or exaggerated about. Obviously I can’t get into it, as I don’t know the situation around it before and after.

The dings are my fault. Never said that the axiom was mint. I took a screen shot ( earlier in the post) what should I do??? He’s not cooperating so I’m gonna have to fix it myself…

[Apollo2]

@yoyospirit

@Apollo2

@dingo54

@Apollo2

@dingo54

@Apollo2

@Totalartist

@PROMASTER

Okay first of all he’s a freakin liar he said the axiom was mint and I got it with dings ALL over it an second of all it had like 2 small sets of pinpricks when I shipped it and I packaged it with newspaper coating the entire freaking package this man is a liar and he has u all looking like I am the bad guy he’s the real enemy he dropped it somewhere along the line because he claims to have it to be a bent axle and he’s a noob because usually that causes a vibe and he acts all dumb sayin" how can I fix it" like dude you obviously don’t know what ur talking about because u shipped badly to not just me I don’t even want that piece of scrap metal I already traded it for a go big and THAT was better than a Katz meow

This incident is rather bizarre. There is a buyer (Apollo2), who gave the seller (Promaster) positive feedback for a transaction, but later claims there is an excessive vibe problem, and he wants to change the feedback. Apollo2 claims that his feedback was left, before he knew how the yo-yo was supposed to play, AND he stated that he gave positive feedback to avoid receiving retaliatory negative feedback. But, in his feedback he stated:

“Just, totally, awesome! Great trader! Would trade again!”

Someone who feared retaliatory feedback might write something a lot less than awesome like, “got the yo-yo thanks,” or “he shipped it…cool.” But, to write “totally awesome…great trader…would trade again?” :-\

Vibe is subjective, and I own several of the same model yo-yo and they are not all equally smooth. That is something to consider.

I have a problem with the dates I see. Apollo2 left the feedback for Promaster on March 12th, but he shows an email on March 28th with a statement Promaster wrote. My question is whether Apollo2 left feedback for Promaster, played with the yo-yo for a few weeks, and raised this issue just recently on March 28th. If so, it might appear that Apollo2 was satisfied with the yo-yo at one time, left feedback, and then something happened to the yo-yo in the next few weeks.

Then, when Promaster responds to this in the quote above, he says he packed the box with newspaper, although his email to Apollo2 says that someone else packed the box. :-\ He did not address whether he advertised that the stock axle was switched out prior to the deal. Then he stated, “u shipped badly to.” Does that mean that he is admitting to reckless packing? Also, he now says there is a problem with the yo-yo Apollo2 sent him. But, did he raise that issue before Apollo2 made this thread?

This might just be a case of lessons learned:

1. Pack the boxes yourselves, and pack better, in a box to avoid these issues in the future.
2. Do not give feedback prematurely, inspect and play the yo-yo prior to issuing feedback.
3. If the yo-yo does not have all the stock parts, advertise as such to the extent you are aware.

The list goes on.

My packaging was ideal, I wrapped each half of the yoyo in tissue paper, then put the axle and bearing in a plastic bag, followed by putting it in a cushioned envelope.

Anyone notice he just mentions his packaging but not a word about waiting so long to report this and the great feedback?

U had no probs besides the vibe, and I was talking to Robbie Graham in chat and he told me that his was smooth, which made me realize that there was a problem. It was my first trade and I was hyped up and left positive feedback, which was premature

Still, leave neutral. If he leaves bad feedback wrongly, you can report it and you know that. And why would you leave feedback before getting and/or inspecting the yoyo(s)?

because I thought it was just a vibey yoyo, all I want from this dude is an apology and a new axle

If he doesn’t send you a new axle, I’d be willing to cut and send you one.

that’s very nice of you! How much??

[Apollo2]

PLEASE WATCH SHOWS CONDITION OF YOYO. plz Dont judge me. Just cuz I’m a kid doesn’t mean I know an less than u guys

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bJLuJhwO-Fs&feature=plcp

[Apollo2]

The bearing is the right size. ItS d-sized. I think that the axle is like half a mm to wide though

[Preinfalk]

@Apollo2

The bearing is the right size. ItS d-sized. I think that the axle is like half a mm to wide though

Clearly the axle is bent from the video, which leads me to believe that it was damaged in the mail. Like I said, this is not your fault, as it’s USPS’s fault, as well as the sender’s as they didn’t package it safely.

packages/envelopes should NEVER have a fully assembled yoyo inside of them.

If it’s the kind of damage I think it is, a new axle will not fix it, as the bearing seat was damaged as well. It will continue to vibe.

[dingo54]

@Preinfalk

@Apollo2

The bearing is the right size. ItS d-sized. I think that the axle is like half a mm to wide though

Clearly the axle is bent from the video, which leads me to believe that it was damaged in the mail. Like I said, this is not your fault, as it’s USPS’s fault, as well as the sender’s as they didn’t package it safely.

packages/envelopes should NEVER have a fully assembled yoyo inside of them.

If it’s the kind of damage I think it is, a new axle will not fix it, as the bearing seat was damaged as well. It will continue to vibe.

Yeah, the axle hole is bent so it will have a vibe forever.

[Apollo2]

@dingo54

@Preinfalk

@Apollo2

The bearing is the right size. ItS d-sized. I think that the axle is like half a mm to wide though

Clearly the axle is bent from the video, which leads me to believe that it was damaged in the mail. Like I said, this is not your fault, as it’s USPS’s fault, as well as the sender’s as they didn’t package it safely.

packages/envelopes should NEVER have a fully assembled yoyo inside of them.

If it’s the kind of damage I think it is, a new axle will not fix it, as the bearing seat was damaged as well. It will continue to vibe.

Yeah, the axle hole is bent so it will have a vibe forever.

Shoot is there a way that he should like refund me??? If that’s possible since it waz a trade… And he’s already traded away my axiom

[Totalartist]

Manufacturers do not mail disassembled yo-yos to stores, and stores do not mail yo-yos disassembled to me, so I don’t do it, nor do I recommend it. I see no fault in that part whatsoever. There may be other fault here, but definitely not that.

Too many unanswered questions. When was the first time Apollo2 raised the issue to Promaster about the vibe? Was it a day or two later…or a few weeks later? Promaster is claiming that Apollo2 did the damage to the yo-yo in the time he has owned it.

[Apollo2]

@Totalartist

Manufacturers do not mail disassembled yo-yos to stores, and stores do not mail yo-yos disassembled to me, so I don’t do it, nor do I recommend it. I see no fault in that part whatsoever. There may be other fault here, but definitely not that.

Too many unanswered questions. When was the first time Apollo2 raised the issue to Promaster about the vibe? Was it a day or two later…or a few weeks later? Promaster is claiming that Apollo2 did the damage to the yo-yo in the time he has owned it.

Yep, I got a couple scratches in it, and I said that, never said it was mint

[Apollo2]

Ok, so I sent him a yoyo with no dings and two scratches in the sides, I never said it was mint. Just FYI

I contacted him and apologized for the whole ordeal, and then said that I would soon be changing his feedback to neutral or negative, then I said “PLEASE take apart yoyos before shipping, don’t make this mistake again”

I got this in return, remember that I never said it was mint, and I’m POSITIVE that it was smooth, I even put a kk in it.

[Apollo2]

I will soon be contacting admin about this guy

[yoyospirit]

@Apollo2

that’s very nice of you! How much??

No charge man, just need the size of the axle.

@PROMASTER

Okay first of all he’s a freakin liar he said the axiom was mint and I got it with dings ALL over it an second of all it had like 2 small sets of pinpricks when I shipped it and I packaged it with newspaper coating the entire freaking package this man is a liar and he has u all looking like I am the bad guy he’s the real enemy he dropped it somewhere along the line because he claims to have it to be a bent axle and he’s a noob because usually that causes a vibe and he acts all dumb sayin" how can I fix it" like dude you obviously don’t know what ur talking about because u shipped badly to not just me I don’t even want that piece of scrap metal I already traded it for a go big and THAT was better than a Katz meow

So why bring it up now? Why didn’t you discuss the dings and vibe on the Axiom with Apollo2?

[Apollo2]

@yoyospirit

@Apollo2

that’s very nice of you! How much??

No charge man, just need the size of the axle.

@PROMASTER

Okay first of all he’s a freakin liar he said the axiom was mint and I got it with dings ALL over it an second of all it had like 2 small sets of pinpricks when I shipped it and I packaged it with newspaper coating the entire freaking package this man is a liar and he has u all looking like I am the bad guy he’s the real enemy he dropped it somewhere along the line because he claims to have it to be a bent axle and he’s a noob because usually that causes a vibe and he acts all dumb sayin" how can I fix it" like dude you obviously don’t know what ur talking about because u shipped badly to not just me I don’t even want that piece of scrap metal I already traded it for a go big and THAT was better than a Katz meow

So why bring it up now? Why didn’t you discuss the dings and vibe on the Axiom with Apollo2?

thank you so much for the offer, but turns out that where the axle screws in is messed up to, it’s totally broken beyond repair :,( but thank you

[Apollo2]

@yoyospirit

@Apollo2

that’s very nice of you! How much??

No charge man, just need the size of the axle.

@PROMASTER

Okay first of all he’s a freakin liar he said the axiom was mint and I got it with dings ALL over it an second of all it had like 2 small sets of pinpricks when I shipped it and I packaged it with newspaper coating the entire freaking package this man is a liar and he has u all looking like I am the bad guy he’s the real enemy he dropped it somewhere along the line because he claims to have it to be a bent axle and he’s a noob because usually that causes a vibe and he acts all dumb sayin" how can I fix it" like dude you obviously don’t know what ur talking about because u shipped badly to not just me I don’t even want that piece of scrap metal I already traded it for a go big and THAT was better than a Katz meow

So why bring it up now? Why didn’t you discuss the dings and vibe on the Axiom with Apollo2?

btw have u seen that screen shot I took of the original post??? Never said it was mint, this guy is lying left and right

[xxjohnsonxx]

Yeah promaster assumed it was mint and smooth i think. did it ever come up about condition or vibe while talking?

[yoyospirit]

@xxjohnsonxx

Yeah promaster assumed it was mint and smooth i think. did it ever come up about condition or vibe while talking?

let me just say something, whenever I really want something or get rid of something, I sometimes can forget to ask for important details.

[Coffelt]

It is all in the details and how two traders communicate. I make a statement of how I like things shipped every time even if I have traded with you before. I generally ask in a trade how they like to receive their throws.

[wcrase (Waylon (Rain City Skills))]

@Coffelt

It is all in the details and how two traders communicate. I make a statement of how I like things shipped every time even if I have traded with you before. I generally ask in a trade how they like to receive their throws.

There’s also something to be said for patience and planning. There’s never anything urgent about a trade. Slow your roll. Take your time and discuss all the details. Request and provide photos. Have an appropriate shipping container handy, or at least in mind. Consider your dunnage. Wadded up plastic grocery bags are great and pretty much free. Keep it simple. Trading doesn’t have to be as hard as some of you make it out to be.