If we don’t know how many are in these multiple runs, we don’t know anything about their relative sales just by how fast available stock sells out.
Has the YYF Miracle sold through its first run?
For that matter, has it sold more than the Grind Machine?
I will say when I meet yoyo folk they are usually more interested in my oddball collection than I am in there’s unless they are a maker or a sponsored player with a bunch of neat things to show off.
Not saying my stuff is amazing just the average yoyoer has a few very similar comp yo-yos that are pretty mundane. Solid great yo-yos but not interesting
You don’t think that competition yo-yos occupy a defined section of the overall market?
Yeah, like @mable said… if you get off the forums and go to an actual meetup or a competition, pretty much not a single soul is using One Drop yoyos. As someone who was pretty much buying everything One Drop made for a few years, it was totally eye opening and shocking going to Nats in 2022 (my first comp since getting back into it) and literally nobody in the whole room was using One Drop anything. And this is at US Nats by the way… where these things are made… and no one is using them.
An important note is that the forum demographic itself is made up mostly of casual throwers and collectors who are literally One Drops demographic, so it’s no surprise if you see a lot of “I don’t think OD or ‘fun’ throws are niche! 
” Reality is, if you get yourself to a meet or a contest, you just don’t see their yoyos anymore.
And I’m sorry if you’re kidding (based on your further replies I don’t think you are) but I’m 100% serious when I say that in my 14 years on this forum… I have not seen a more out of touch post than this.
I might be in the minority but if I go to a meet and I see someone with a collection of YYFr/YYR/TP/Topyo and someone with a collection of one drops and organics I’m going towards the first guy lol
Maybe it’d be different if I’ve tried most of those but even then idk
I’ve never really agreed with the concept that competition yo-yo = uninteresting
All yo-yos are interesting. Just get super into the details.
Ive noticed that collector culture outside of the forums and in the comp scenw/at meetups that i go to is more focused on turning point and sometimes yoyorec
“ denoting products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.”
I don’t think competition yo-yos are niche no
Interesting. I obviously have no data, I’m just genuinely curious. I had a look through other companies’ model lines and, I gotta say, dedicated competition yoyos are definitely not the majority. Even Yoyorecreation has a pretty even distribution of comp vs “fun” or generalist models. Considering One Drops seem to consistently sell out relatively quickly it’d be interesting to get some numbers form the other companies.
Looking at their longevity and success record I see no logical reason for One Drop to start taking direction from “the community.” Risk costs money, and in their case I suspect it’s a LOT of money, considering their commitment to tolerances and quality control. It’s hard enough to run a business in this country, let alone a successful one. In their shoes I’d do the same thing: crank out a “competition” yoyo as a subcontract from another company and laugh all the way to the bank.
Or:
“a specialized segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service.”
This thread doesn’t need another useless semantics despite. My point is that competition yo-yos serve part, but not all of the market. If someone believes that it is the most popular, most serious, most “real” etc. I have no interest in convincing them otherwise.
If someone has numbers that demonstrate what yo-yos are selling, I would love to see them no matter what they prove.
!00%, dude. I’d love to see those numbers. Aside from watching every damn video, is there anywhere to get a list of the yoyos used at WYYC? All divisions, btw, not just 1A.
it’s so brutal how everything’s competition-oriented now, the kapital and bastet are two of my favorite yo-yos 
I feel like you’re the one using the semantics argument here trying to say “a niche” is different from being niche which I don’t even know if I agree with in this case. Especially since every single other person here is using the word niche by the definition I provided.
You were responding to someone that said they thought “One Drop primarily makes niche yo-yos” definitely implying he thinks OD makes yo-yos “ that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.” So in this case no I don’t think competition yo-yos are niche.
But Ill admit I don’t have any hard evidence here to back up my belief other than the anecdotal evidence Mable gave about how comp yo-yos sell out faster, comp yo-yos being more predominant at meets and comps, and obv comp player preferences
It is ok, we will take the risk and the cost to continue enable the use of different materials, designs while ensuring quality for the benefit of the yoyoing community worldwide.
Well, taking your definition, I haven’t seen anyone with numbers to show that competition yo-yos are more than a “small, specialized” portion of the overall yo-yo market.
It’s odd to me that this is even controversial. I’m a niche yo-yo buyer and user. So, what?
You do realize that one of their most popular models the code 2 was completely based on community input right?
So are you just choosing to ignore me posting Gentry stating the Shutter lineup had moved over 100,000 units?
Are you trolling? Like… forreal
Literally go to ANY meetup or comp lmfaooo
You will be able to see comp (or at the least performance oriented) yoyos in everyone’s hands with your own eyeballs my man. And for extreme clarity, I’m not talking just competitors… I’m talking everyone at the contest (spectators, etc)
All I’m gonna say is if competition yo-yos aren’t the largest sector of the yo-yo market then you tell me what is. I’m not a company or all-knowing being with hard numbers but you aren’t either so I’m happy to listen to your opinion of what sector of the yo-yo market is larger than competition yoyos
Isn’t that a 10 year old yo-yo from a major brand which markets and sells its products worldwide with the help of a multiple-time world champion.
What do you suppose the success of the Shutter proves about the topic?
