Boy yall in here DEEEP in this convo
What yall doing?
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Wizard, Fat Tire, Wyvern, T1, Free Soloā¦ 45-48mm. What do you consider wide?
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random yyf kapital plug, just wanna insert myself in the convo :3
I think there is plenty of comparing equally or more expensive Chinese-made yo-yos to make the point that they are just as good or better.
But of all the Chinese-made* yo-yos I have up to $150+ in price, as a rule they require the bearing tool to pry the bearing from the post. There may be exceptions, but I would be surprised if they exist at a comparable price-point to what OD charges for yo-yos manufactured to consistently higher specifications.
The contention is that OD prioritizes a level of precision that other manufacturers do not. I havenāt really heard anyone argue that OD is wrong, and that overly tight bearing posts are a not common among their competitors products, or that it is a non-issue for durability. Personally, I think that argument could be made, at least in the context of ānormal use lifeā. OD can take pride in a product that doesnāt require this kind of caveat. There are plenty of companies with priorities that I donāt share, but I can give them credit for caring about something and actually making a case for why.
Personally, I think that geographical location is irrelevant. I donāt seen where even OD is claiming that Chinese companies are technically incapable or matching their precision. The contention is that they choose not to. That may be for cost reasons, although Iām wondering why those $150 - $200 yoyos have the same issue. Maybe these companies simply donāt believe that higher precision would yield more sales or more satisfied customers.
*- I should have simply stated ānon-ODā, since I the country of manufacture is not really relevant IMO.
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Tom Kuhn, cough cough. Love him or hate him letās hear it for my buddy Brad Countryman!!!
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I think OD deserves some credit for making metal yo-yos affordable. (But I agree that other brands have pushed prices for good quality even lower.)
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I agree. We didnāt sign up to represent American yoyo making. This is why we prefer to say #madeinhouse.
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ā¦thatās because OneDrop is the only yoyo manafacturer in the US that puts out anywhere near decent productā¦and they donāt make experimental or risky designs. They just keep pumping out flat tires.
I didnāt understand what this meant so i took some pictures of a 43mm yoyo next to modern āwideā yoyos in an attempt to gain some insight. Could you help me understand what you mean?
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Nothing against One drop, back then I used to love it as a brand but far away to call it affordable honestly, when I was a student I dreamt for a Code 1 which was absolutely out of my league money wise.
Now magic yoyos (which i am not a fan at all) make bimetals at half of the price if not less (or yoyofactory just to mention another brand), making performance oriented yoyos available for real to everyone.
For me affordable is much less than 60$ a monometal yoyo, looking it from the point of view of someone that has to rely on parents that dont know the yoyo world (like me when I was dreaming my code 1)
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Someone here said that Side Effects are a genius innovation. They absolutely are, @da5id. Respect.
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I have a number of Chinese made yoyos with overtight bearing posts that are significantly more expensive than my One Drops and their perfectly machined bearing posts. Just sayinā.
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Guys stop we all know Watieoboo makes the best yoyos. 
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Side Effects are awesome.
Durability benefits, the ability to customize a yoyo to play how you like, and thereās still a lot of potential with all the wacky new cup gimmicks (lego hubs, hubstacks, fingerspin dimples) that are around nowadays - whatās not to like?
While David is reading this thread - any chance of yāall making more kuntosh 5kqvs?
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It was Shawn.
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Ah thanks for that, I had no idea.
It was onedrop, which is both David and Shawn.
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I have a number of Chinese-made yoyos with perfect bearing posts that are significantly cheaper than One Drops and their perfectly machined bearing posts. Just sayinā.
Heck my own yoyo is machined in China and has a perfect bearing post while staying smooth.
Iāve seen enough of this argument over and over that Iām just gonna point out and say: Itās anecdotal and invalid.
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Itās the ratio thatās important its subjective what ratio means wide. The width only has meaning in relation to the diameter. You could have a width of 100mm, but if the yoyo had a diameter of 200mm, then it wouldnāt be wide would it?
We called our widest yoyo the ā1 to 1ā because that was ratio. Or converted, 100%. I would agree, our idea of what ratio is āwideā migth be different from yours and thatās fine. We tend to the 75% - 80% range. Weāve done both wider and narrower than that range though.
BTW, none of those wide yoyos pictured there have big axial rim weight.
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Itās true you can get good bearing posts because the right size is part of the tolerance range so sometimes they hit it, but most often not. My proof is that those yoyo brands tend to sell bearing removal tools. We donāt have sell one. And this was brought up in this thread before me - the āsqueakā and the need for a bearing removal tool are well known and not contested.
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