I’m always baffled by how much discussion can be generated by something that can be answered with “different strokes for different folks”. Many folks here seem to think it must be black/white for them and everybody else when it’s all about preference in the end.
Ignoring the whole responsive/unresponsive argument. Organics and Comp oriented yoyos offer themselves to different styles of play. Organics tend to be able to flow better, but you’ll see a player like Haycock do just as well with any yoyo, but he chooses organics because they respond better to his touch. On the other side of the spectrum players like Iori or Ayumu Kasuga simply wouldn’t be able to accomplish their high energy tricks with organic yoyos that are objectively less stable and catchable. You choose the tools that work for you.
That being said there are yoyos that find a very comfortable middleground, one notable one being the CLYW Chief, however, design-wise if anything I would say that O-shaped organic designs tend to have much less differentiation in design and feel as opposed to the various H, W, or V shapes on the market.
I can’t understand it either, the only reason why I bothered to read this thread is because it has 200+ replies and I wanted to see what all the commotion was about.
It especially drives me crazy that one would ask me to explain why I don’t like the taste of something. Don’t anyone ever ask me why I don’t like anything with caraway seeds while on a boat, someone’s going overboard.
I just went through a handful of throws in my collection, sampling competition oriented throws, organics, and some in between. My style of play is on the slow side, and when I throw something with a hard V shape the yoyo seems to be begging me to play faster. When im playing with a traditional organic shape, it seems to be telling me to remain chill and enjoy the moment. They are basically the opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to feel, and certainly play style.
Anybody who is playing with competition in mind would definitely not want a yoyo that encourages them to throw slowly. A mere hobbyist with no interest in competition play on the other hand has no actual use for a yoyo that tells him that he is going too slow (my Musashi constantly makes me want to shred). Not that going fast is a bad thing, but sometimes I just want to chill and throw at a relaxed pace, and competition throws just don’t fit in that scenario. If I just chugged a Monster and am ready to GO, then ill most definitely be going for the Musashi or other V-shaped throws to shred my combos at max speed. If I want something in between, that is where the non-full organics and other not competition throws come into play.
Sometimes I think I have my preference nailed, and then I pick up another yoyo. Im with @smileypants707, I love all yoyos.
There are always exceptions. Gentry won Nats with a Replay Pro. Any combo I can do on my competition oriented Vs I can do on my organics. I was just speaking in generalities and talking about feel. As for Takeshi, I am not worthy of even suggesting how he can win.
I am relatively new to yo-yos ( 7 months) I made the jump to in responsive after 1 month. I got a Sherpa last week and it’s my first organic/ non comp oriented throw. I’ve been playing with it for about a week straight now about 3hrs a day, and can definitely see how it can refine a players flow and precision. My first day or 2 with it were pretty rough, I certainly missed the string a lot!! But now I can go through most of my combos with it even playing responsive. Yesterday I threw my top yo Selene just to see, and there was certainly a difference in my play. Much more precise, and controlled than before. I wouldn’t say I’m going to playbnothing but organics from now on, but it was definitely a nice change in pace!
Takeshi has an insane pace accounting for the complexity of his tricks. The Mustang is a tank of a yoyo focused on getting pure spintime he needed for his ridiculously long combos more than anything.
Though I guess last year he did have time for a trick or two which could have tilted it considering the scores…
Actually… and I wish I could find the old reference… but I recall discussion about Mickey not wanting too light of a yoyo because he would play too fast and out of control with a lighter yoyo.
Again, it seems like a contradiction to throw a more limiting yoyo (more high-walled or heavier, etc) to have more control, but it can be like that too. When you are unlimited some of the most important choices one can make are to choose limits.
Funny how he got second and everyone still watches/talks/thinks about that freestyle, not to mention the fact the mustang has so much hype on it because of Takeshi #realmvp
Yea the results of limitation are disturbingly night and day. Anytime a player banishes themselves to the responsive castle for a good chunk of time, they generally come out wit some serious results. You should hollar at Tyler Severance bout this.
Every time I hear this I wish YouTube had Jensen’s 44Clash win up still, at least I think that is the contest. He was throwing a semi responsive Wooly Marmot 1. 50mm diameter, high wall with a flat bearing. He threw horizontal tricks with that yoyo, and did them clean. I’ve seen others do similar. It’s rarely ever the yoyo that is a problem when tricks can’t be hit.
This video really brings back memories. One of my personal favorite fs ever. Jensen did a crazy fs with WM back then!
And believe me, Japanese people here really respect Jensen. I mean, you could say they idolize him. Since that day he won 44 Clash, Wooly Marmot became a legend, a desirable yoyo. Believe it or not, but in Japan, WM1 and WM2 are easily sold with $150+ price tag even not in mint condition.
Organic might not seem as capable as V-shaped for certain tricks. But once again, it’s more about the player…
