No, dont get me wrong. I know that Min is new, but we keep having this F+F vs G+S discussion, and people continue to get screwed. It is also an obsession among the BST to stick with F+F, and it continually goes wrong for some. If we insist on a G+S BST, then when people get screwed they can rely on PayPal to get a refund. But on the other hand I am saying that if you go with F+F and get scammed, learn from it. I wasn’t saying Min was whining or being childish; moreso calling out the blatant naivete of the yoyo BST. I feel for him in this case, but damn, stop being suckers - addressed to the yoyo community.
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Bah, sorry for taking your comment wrong. I’m a bit wound up about this whole thing.
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there’s a saying in the old west, and amongst card players and gamblers… if you walk up to the table and you can’t pick out the sucker, guess who’s it?
when there’s no faces, and frequently just avatars with a moniker, it can become less personal… it can be easy to be a victim if you’re not careful, vigilant… look out for yourself, look out for each other… overall, we do a good job
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Honestly me too. I think Min has been a fantastic new member of the YYE forums and I hate to see that he has a bitter transaction. But I think that the community needs to stop this F+F shenanigans that shaves off mere dollars and stop being overly trusting of strangers. Asking for F+F should be sketchy regardless of previous dealings. It should be up to the buyer whether they want to take the risk, not the seller.
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if $3 on $100 is going to break you, you shouldn’t be buying $100 yo-yos, lol
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Ugh, THIS conversation again
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Wow, this thread kind of exploded, while I was working.
I see a lot of variety of mixed comments here, some supportive, some hatred towards me, either way, thank you for your feedbacks.
But still no response from the only person I wanted some communication from.
Does this thread really need to be this long?
Maybe, maybe not, it’s an online forum.
When @fatguysnacks247’s had an unfortunate experience picking up a counterfeit Sleipnir it helped me and others avoid picking up a fake Sleipnir, (I had a near-miss too recently, which I was able to dodge thanks to @fatguysnacks247’s posts and also to a lot of great members such as @Rosenberg of this forum who helped me determine if it was genuine or not).
I was hoping my expensive mistake can also help others avoid similar situations, and hoping it helps keep other people safe from similar situations (not just an attack specifically against @Chrisdoc145, but in general).
The beauty of online forums is if a thread doesn’t interest you, just move on?
Anyway, I am sorry that I have upset people by creating a thread that repopulates at the top of the forum. I won’t comment on here any more unless it’s to update people that things have now been resolved if it does.
It happens, he may or may not refund, maybe he really needs it, it’s a dumb situation but the guy says he’s sick. Move forward. Get well soon, Chris!
Thank you, great advice. I didn’t realise that I could just move on. But if he really needs the money, then yeah I guess that makes everything okay. Although to be blunt, I did take this as a backhanded insult and dismissive that you chose to end your comment in the way you did.
I have been sympathetic that he has been ill, I understand how cba you can be when you are not well. If anything until recently I have been the one defending @Chrisdoc145 when people attacked him or were calling him out. But when broken promises are repeated again and again with extended periods of radio silence, it is no longer a valid excuse. I think @yoyodoc put this better than I could, so copied below when the same excuse was used last time, and it was @codinghorror who made things right that time to my understanding and resolved it for those who were wronged out of his own private collection. I believe @Evan_the_yoyo_boy is still waiting for his to this day.
All I wanted was a quick message “hey man sorry, super ill, can’t get out the house. Will post next week”
“Sorry man, low on funds, can’t refund yesterday like promised, will process on xx day when I get paycheck” etc. I mentioned this before, I am not anxious to get things delivered asap, I don’t need refunds asap.
I just want to be free of this situation and not be taken for a ride. Right now I have no yoyos, no money & no communication. All I wanted now short of a resolution, was a little sympathy.
I haven’t been pro F+F and want to stick it to PayPal as such, I actually wanted to pay using G&S albeit I must admit that I didn’t insist this very hard and gave in quite easily.
When you send an international payment if I pay G&S I incurr no fees, but for F+F I end up paying like $5.
So naturally I would obviously prefer to pay G&S even if I have to send a few extra dollars that I would need to pay anyway to do F+F to cover the G&S fee myself.
Well, I guess one good thing to come out of this is that I won’t be using F+F again, and will stick to my guns and insist on using G&S harder next time and don’t proceed if F+F is the only option available.
And the only other good thing to come out of this is hopefully others can learn from my mistakes for free and we are all safer for it as a community.
Maybe G&S only should be a forum rule.
I might just stop using BST to be honest and only buy new or in person.
I know I am just whining, perhaps in a childish manner, it is frustrating though to be the sucker in a deal, which I am.
I have never bought things second hand or from a community like this before other than through eBay until I started yoyoing. So the whole BST scene is very new to me nor am I very familiar with PayPal in general, and I guess I was just too naive and didn’t heed warnings and did my part to keep myself safe. Does that mean I deserve this maybe not, but I do acknowledge that I am part of the problem and not free of all blame.
Anyway, sorry to have bothered and bored everyone with my woes, and for the long posts and threads.
I am out.
Going to take a break for a while and go back to lurking. Like I said above the only update/post I will make is if this matter gets resolved so that Chris can clear his name somewhat if he does.
I now regret that I went public with this in the first place in the hopes I can reach a resolution and that I have vented my frustration on a public forum to what are essentially strangers, as pointed out.
Thank you everyone for your support and advice, this was an expensive lesson.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Get well soon, Chris!
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Yea, personally, and I mean no offense to anyone here, I will always give the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time, I don’t know or trust any of you. If, and it’s a super hypothetical if, I do a BST from a forum, it’s gotta be G&S. Or I’m simply going to look at ebay, or buy straight new, or trade (but is highly doubtful as I’m not going to get rid of any of my throws that I do have).
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I 100% support this. Also, 100% support the price listed include all fees, per PayPal rules.
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You are not whining, if I got ripped off I would be all kinds of angry.
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So how much money is @MoonageMin out of on the deal? It’s effing christmas and this man is getting the run around. Can we all just like send him $10 and then ban the scammer for good? I know there is 15 people here reading this. Probably not the best way to handle the issue at hand but if we just ban chrisdoc then he won’t have the chance to scam anyone else and we can help Min get back on track + restore some faith in the bst. Because literally I’ve made hundreds of deals between here fb and reddit and always had a good transaction using goods and services. If nothing else I got a nice yoyo to send his way
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i’m not sure what the forum rules are but if we wanna do this separately via email or something, i’m totally down to chipping in $10 for this friendly noob
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I think it was 120. I said the same thing about helping out if need be.
If g and s doesn’t become a rule i think having a rule that prices should be listed with fees included would make it a lot better. Tired of saying add money for g and s.
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Also I am glad to see how this is turning out. Not the bad situation but the fact that everyone is so willing to help out. Shows the strength in the community. We won’t let a bad egg ruin the bunch.
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i let @MoonageMin know the other day i’d send him a throw to soften the blow, waiting for details on shat he’d like…
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I am certainly willing to throw $10 or $15 his way.
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There’s another awesome forum member that sent me a message wanting to set the same kind of thing up for Moonsy yesterday…I love him for the idea.
And I’m SO in if we’re going to do this!
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I think its great the community wants to come together for MM. But this would be the 2nd time chris has been bailed out by the community after scamming someone. Whether he needs the money or not that is irrelevant. You cant just scam people then say its because I need it. 
At what point will a user be banned? He has done this it looks like multiple times over the past year but yet he is still here and has listings still active also. 
IMO it would be best to either lock his active listings untill he resolves his past deals or just ban completely.
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I agree with you 100% he shouldn’t get to scam people and still be here. Locking his active listings can prevent people from commenting but a private message is still one click away so he would need to be banned all together. If we can get a total of 12 people with $10 then we can settle this once and for all. But I guess that doesn’t clean up his other deals gone bad either. How many people are waiting on something from Chris?
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