OneDrop already stated that they couldn’t make a titanium yoyo for that price anymore. The price of titanium has gone up and they were able to get a deal on the titanium at the time if I remember correctly so comparing it’s price is unfair in the current market. If they could continue to make it for that price then why don’t they?
Please feel free to name me a yoyo that plays like the ricochet
Weight distribution has nothing to do with volume distribution. the wall could be thick from a lighter element and the distribution would still be the same as a super thin heavier element. There’s no need for super thin walls, Yoyo’s don’t need to bother with aerodynamics, so thin walls are not needed.
Now durability wise, titanium is indeed very strong, but you argued yourself that doesn’t justify the price bump, so what gives?
For someone who runs a yoyo reviewing website, you really need to increase your knowledge and improve your writing.
I have countered every single argument you made. And, as to the design I said, I don’t care, and so what? It’s a big difference dancing around than staring the argument in the face and saying “so what?” The point you missed last night is that you care about the design…I do not. Many other people could care less, and many chimed in here to say so. Same place we got to last night. That’s not dancing around the issue, that’s staring it in the face and saying “I don’t care.” Now, I read the statements Ben wrote, but that has nothing to do with you claiming the yo-yo offers nothing that an aluminum would not. It certainly does, and you need to concede to that fact.
You said, “it is just an expensive yo-yo when compared to other yo-yos of similar design.” Then, as an example…you named the bape2/viszilla. I never said the Ricochet was “fun,” you made it up in your head. It is titanium, plays great, durable, comes with extras, and the price is right. You summed all that up as “fun.” Nice job making an argument.
Here’s another thing, there are only 130 Sovereigns made while there are like 500 plus Ricochets, remember I said because of price and limited quantities. This is also probably why it is $30 more than the Sovereign. As well as because the Ricochets has a color option to it as well.
I wouldn’t attempt to do that for the same reason I wouldn’t have argued it to begin with. This is part of the fantasy arguments. I said that the Ricochet doesn’t do anything that couldn’t be done in aluminum, and the Ricochet camp (you, now) has now required that I show you a yoyo that is just like the Ricochet for this to be true.
I do not have to do that. I never argued that the Ricochet was the same as any other yoyo. In fact, I said that the weight of titanium would have necessitated it be designed as a titanium from the ground up. I argued that it does nothing with that titanium that can’t be closely replicated in aluminum from a design perspective.
Alternatively, you could show me a cross section where we see a shape that I’d agree cannot be done in aluminum. I doubt you can do that because ben sure had to dig himself out of a deep hole when even he couldn’t do it.
Ben didn’t have to dig himself out of anything. He never marketed the design as pushing the limits of titanium. We already covered that. They were thinking outside that box. For example, Sovereign had thin walls, played nice, but not great like the Ricochet. Ricochet has color options, extras, number engraved…and shinier than any titanium I’ve ever seen. It’s durable, looks great, plays great, appeals to many. Ben never marketed the yo-yo in that manner, so why would he have anything to prove in that regard? Fact is, he doesn’t, and saying the design can be translated into aluminum. So what? A lot of them can, but it doesn’t mean the product will be as good. So, that becomes irrelevant.
The higher quantity would make it cheaper per unit.
The reason it costs more is because, as stated by yyf, the Ricochet project was done specifically as an exercise to see if titanium could be profitable. Ben explained, in detail, that the reason we’ve seen manufacturers shy away from the material recently is because they were not allowing enough profit margin to make it worth their while. They were spending way too much doing crazy designs and low production runs, and then they couldn’t really sell them for what they would need because there just isn’t really a $700 yoyo market. So, they’d sell for $400, or whatever, and barely make their money back after labor. Titaniums remained an oddity for this reason.
So, yyf brought out the Ricochet. It cuts every possible design corner in an attempt to make retail cheap enough that yyf could profit from a titanium throw. In the process, they created maybe the tamest and least extreme titanium design we’ve ever seen…and in my opinion, sort of defeated the purpose of making a yoyo in titanium at all. Those crazy designs are why people cared, and why manufacturers bothered, not because there’s something appealing about titanium as a metal.
I saw that thread, and I know you saw that thread. If you don’t think that went poorly for yyf then we have a different world view.
It also doesn’t become irrelevant when I’m specifically arguing that it’s true. It’s actually the most relevant thing, as much as you’re trying to derail that for whatever reason. I know what ben said. All I’ve ever argued is that he said it. If you know what he said then why have we been talking about it for 4 pages?
and what in the heck is this durability argument? What does this mean? Who was having trouble with the “durability” of aluminum? Are aluminum yoyo’s shattering? Even if it has been an issue for someone, we’re going to argue that paying $200 for a titanium yoyo is the best solution to anno scratches?
Alright my bad but still, One Drop got their titanium at a lower price than today’s market. As for the last bit I’d disagree because so far it has been only you and Saintrobyn that have been complaining about the Ricochet not using titanium qualities to its fullest extent.
I agree that those who care about the design are in the minority. This was marketed to the “majority.” I would agree with Stookie in one place, that the Ricochet changed the idea of what having a titanium meant previously. But, where we differ, is that I think that’s a good thing. Why should the well to do only have titaniums? Or, those who will make the ultimate sacrifice to obtain one. Why can’t your regular low income person, save up and enjoy a throw that they can bounce off the ground or spark without creating so much damage. Why is sparking for the well to do, or those willing to spend $300 to $500? I like the idea of that being turned on it’s head. This was a great release to the masses, shiniest ever, number engraved, extras included, durable and a fantastic playing yo-yo too. So what if they thought outside the box with the Ricochet. Pushing the limits of titanium has been done before so…so what? The majority do not care.
In economics that would usually justify a lesser cost. Since there are more of the Ricochet it should be more affordable than a piece that has roughly one forth the availability.
Where did I say durability doesn’t matter? The durability is an essential part of being able to push the metal to the fullest. Making walls so thin that the weight practically absent from the area while placing a the lions share in the rims gives a unique feel, something that can not be done with aluminum.
And did you just say yoyos don’t need to bother with aerodynamics? Seriously? Yes, because I see a whole heck of a lot of tin cans on a string flying around at contests and yoyo clubs. Aerodynamics play an important part in how a yoyo works. And you thin I need to educate myself.
Show me where I argued that the durability alone doesn’t justify the price. For someone intent of proving me wrong, you need to improve your knowledge of the argument at hand.
I really don’t care if they disagree with me. That’s the beauty of having my own personal opinion, and the reason why I write that before stating it.
It’s also not a big price tag. It’s a little one. That’s why they’re being sold. Because yyf knew that when many people see the word titanium they jump out of their shorts, and the low price point allows more people to do so. But the reason they’re so excited by the material?..because every other titanium that came before was special. If they’d all been the Ricochet, designed to turn a profit rather than to be exciting, I doubt you’d see the same reaction.
Right, and I’m saying the reason the retail on the Ricochet is higher is because they’re specifically trying to turn a profit. So, in other words, they’re charging more over cost than OD did with the Sovereign.
We are not the first to complain. There was a massive, now locked or otherwise buried thread, where people battered yyfben with these questions and I believe it led to his actually leaving the site. What I said in this thread initially was simply what we took from that conversation…
But the price point has been done before without cutting corners. The Northern Spin Co. Aurora was an absolutely brilliant yoyo that cost $210 and was made in Canada. Yes $10 more than the Ricochet but I would chalk that up to it being limited to I do believe 50 pieces and not outsourced to foreign factories. All differences aside, if you can find one you really should do so. I have a feeling you would like it.
Wow! You do just like to argue! I can at least admit that I understand your stance but you can’t even do that. There is a huge difference in feel between aluminum and titanium. When returning the throw or throwing it there is a different feeling. Blah blah blah to anything else I say cause you know where I’m going but refuse to do anything but take an opposite stance.
Sure is weird how you own TIs but don’t agree with almost everyone else’s opinion about it having a completely different feel during play. Just goes to show why you’ve posted nonstop in all the ricochet threads. You’re just anti ricochet and that’s fine, to each their own but to mangle the threads endlessly without the last word is childish. Your point was very clear some 50 (or however many) posts ago.
I never said the Ricochet was “fun,” you made it up in your head. It is titanium, plays great, durable, comes with extras, and the price is right. You summed all that up as “fun.” Nice job making an argument.
