This is the first Ricochet thread I’ve posted in that I can recall.
And I don’t think I’m disagreeing with people about titanium. So far no one but you has really said it was about the feel. Most of them are just saying that they don’t care about the design because they like the yoyo. That’s fine, and it’s the reason I never argued that it wasn’t fun.
I’ve previously said that it feels different than any other yo-yo I played. I said that so many times, but you didn’t want to realize it until now. And yes, the Ricochet plays great…glad you mentioned that. 
Get yourselves a Ricochet today. You too Stookie.
What is your take on this?
What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. 
Are you dyslexic too? I’ve quoted others thoughts of the feel in the past hour or so and that’s just one. Artists has posted about feel as well.
I’m gonna add to this enstead of wasting more space for you. Who ever said you posted in the other ricochet thread? I said I got a refreshment from it. Same s$$$ different thread. Got nowhere cause the ricochet is the ricochet not some other $500 throw pushed to the limit but yet is tons better for me than my next best throw (chief).
There will always be people that just generally dislike a company and go out of their way to make the company look bad
BTW stookie I’d like to say that there’s plenty of people that bought the ricochet knowing exactly what they were getting without a complaint so I find your argument that people bought them because they cared about the yoyo pushing the boundaries to be poor. It’s a yoyo that sparks and that’s why lots of people bought it. You also have the loyal yyf fanbase that’ll buy anything and I bet they could care less as well. If I saw multiple reviews of the ricochet with people saying they were dissapointed or disliked the yoyo I’d think otherwise but I haven’t seen any of those yet.
You said it feels different than any yoyo you’ve played, he said that there’s a different feel to all titaniums that makes them special and causes some buyers to only want titaniums. Your opinion is just that, and it’s fine. I don’t agree with his statement because I don’t understand how it could work.
As for you link, I think somewhere earlier in this thread I did concede that it was nice yyf was trying to bring titanium to more people. I don’t ever think it was a good thing that titanium was so exclusive, while I did understand and respect why it generally had to be so. However, I still also feel that if someone were really jones-ing for a titanium, really lusting after one, and they could only have one because it was such a stretch in budget…I don’t think I’d recommend they settle for the cheapest. I’d like to see them get one of the models that really inspired their lust. IMO, the Ricochet is ideally a better fit for people like you or me, who can be concerned only with trying new yoyos whatever they be because we already had the chance to try the mythical beasts.
I don’t want to get in on this argument, but I wanted to say, I think you’ll actually be surprised at how differently a lot of Ti throws play in comparison to other Ti’s. Like you said, maybe not $300 worth, but it will be noticeable. It’s like aluminum throws: They all play differently. I feel the same with Titaniums.
Like the Sovereign, it’s one of the most interesting yoyos I’ve ever thrown. It just feels so different than any Aluminum or Ti. I think it’s because of how little centerweight their is, and the massive rim weight.
Just nonsense really. But, it must help their sales. It did in this case. Several people tried the Ricochet just because of the big deal made by the minority. I think it helps in the end. It contributed to my purchase. It has not been a completely unhealthy debate as I think we realize the varying points of view. The two sides would never agree on this issue. There have been a few points of common ground buried in here. Very small, but still there.
I guess it as they say then “there is no such thing as bad publicity”. :-\
I think it’s because YYF open themselves up to it. They make choices that other brands wouldn’t make. This, for example, is the first titanium we know of designed to profitable. That’s a bit different than say, Oxy’s take, which is to make a titanium that is the best yoyo they can imagine. Both of those yoyos have a place in the market, and neither is the wrong way to go. But those two ideas do not strike people the same way.
Another recent example, the re-anno’d splashes. Something you just wouldn’t see from CLYW. Again, can be fine, but doesn’t strike everyone right, and that can came back to you eventually.
I think they do this in part because they’re big enough not to have to worry about maintaining a sterling rep with everyone the way a CLYW has to. And…I think it’s partially because this is the way you get as big as they are. At some point it has to be about profit moreso than sunshine and rainbows. All you have to do is get people to pay. Whether they love you is just icing on the cake.
I’d say it’s true, so long as the good outweighs the bad. 
Just for you stinkie ;).
However I also believe we have a “town” mindset, and what I mean by that is usually in towns if you mess up once, everyone hears about it and thus everyone shuns you and basically you are marked for life. I feel like no one really likes to give second chances anymore, for example some people won’t even try Yomega just because of a past mistake. :-\
There is quite a bit of truth in this. I am giving Yomega a second chance but it took them hiring Dan Dietz, a player I trust, to make it happen. Other companies I will never give a second chance, RecRev and VsNYYC are perfect examples, both outright stole from the community.
They do get the lion’s share but you will also find threads popping up that are anti-CLYW, usually due to their prices. Others as well.
Oh for sure, and even in each individual thread, there’s tons of indirect pressure to jump in and share some YYF related bad story, or just to agree with someone’s negative points.
But, you know. They’re big and seemingly doing fine. I don’t think they’re particularly interested in changing anything. So, they drop re-anno’d splashes or whatever, sell them, and just take the crap that comes with it. I bet some of the smaller brands around would like to move enough product not to have to care about every detail, too.
Again, for someone who reviews yoyos, you don’t pay much attention do you?
Where does the titanium go on the aluminium/titanium hybrids? To make for thin walls? Nope, they go on the rims, or as weight rings, or on the hubs/axle to get more durability. Getting a thin wall is not the target goal of using titanium.
Besides, maximizing rim weight does not make a yoyo great, go buy a BTH if you want maximized rim weight.
In case you don’t know, aero comes from air. Yoyos barely interact with air, they’re not golf balls that need to fly a long way, they need to spin longer, and air resistance is not what slows them down, specially on the smooth vibe free yoyos we have today, air resistance is negligible.
Go study some.
This is an interesting side argument I’ve always wondered about. I do still disagree a bit, and I do think that titanium was initially attractive because of what you could do when you made an entire yoyo out of it (thin walls, weight distribution)
…however, more to your point, I’ve been wondering about this trend of using titanium as a supplement, specifically in weight rings. I don’t totally understand this. It’s true that it’s heavier than aluminum, but it’s still not particularly heavy. It’s just a lot of added expense to get a product that could have easily been achieved (probably even more effectively) with an even heavier, and less expensive metal. Like, steel, for example. A much more obvious choice for the purpose of weighting.
What I suspect is that they’re using it for the most obvious reason (putting the word titanium in your yoyo description allows you to charge whatever you want), but I don’t know if there’s some other reason. Maybe it’s good for this purpose because it’s so strong that you can use very thin strips of it, and that makes it easier to work into designs? I don’t know. Just something I’ve been thinking was curious.
I agree with you on this and I also find it curious as to why use an expensive material just as a paperweight, but then again, I don’t design yoyos for a living.
There are yoyos out there that use stainless steel or brass as weight rings.
I will continue to repeat myself in saying that it’s a novelty just like the mighty flea but for different reasons. The mighty flea is not an awesome playing yoyo but it’s a novelty for it’s size. The ricochet is not an amazing yoyo but it sparks.
I still very much suspect it is for the novelty of it, at least, because having titanium on a yoyo somehow justifies a major price hike.
But this use just seems a little weird because, if not for some actual reason why titanium is a good choice, there are seemingly better design choices to make. Pretty important ones too, that could really affect the yoyo. If someone were really trying to do weight rings for the purpose of moving weight to the rims, but couldn’t just use titanium on the whole throw and do it that way…steel would be a way better choice for their weight rings. They could get a much better rim:wall weight ratio with steel and it would be cheaper. You could also use much, much less steel to get the same effect, so your yoyo design wouldn’t be quite as limited, but would still have the necessary weight where you want it.
So either, the difference being made by weight rings is relatively small and allows you to just go ahead and pick whatever material you want…or titanium is actually good for this use based on some reason I don’t know.
