Yoyo Boomers Club

Probably best to do this at the very top of the thread, in the main post.

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There is a separate post about blanks and such. Maybe we link That one to the main post and keep it up to date with all the shim, blank and bearing options that fit both mrm and faf or make a new master thread but sounds like an offshoot topic that can use its own thread to me.

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Are we going to discuss our thoughts on the Workhorse here, or are we going to get a private message going to discuss them among those that own one?

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I don’t know that I have heard definitively or not but Cody and Jake are probably the ones to answer that one. I mean…I’ve been saying what I think and nobody has smacked my hand with the ruler yet.

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Someone correct me if my calipers are wrong, here are the specs I have for the Workhorse, in case anyone needs a reference.

55mm x 31.7mm
3.9mm gap
54.13g

smaller rings 3.48g
don’t have the larger rings to measure.

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Open discussion here is great.

There is a workhorse channel on G2 Discord that we are discussing potential changes to this design in.

Cool, I don’t use (or like) Discord much, but I’ll sign in there too :+1:

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Sounds about right with the 5mm bearing.

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Ill post in the Discord as well, but here are my initial thought’s on the Workhorse.

Leave the D bearing and the gap alone. I love the overall shape, the way the rims are rounded. I love the rim weight on it, but if possible could push just a tad more to the rims. I love the schmoove rings with the respawn pad, it makes the yoyo snappy, but not overly snappy.

I’d bump the diameter to 57mm and drop the weight a bit to about 53g. I think a slightly larger diameter would make the balance a bit better on it, when doing kickflips and varials. (edit: Maybe making it 7075 would allow a slightly larger diameter, and lower weight?)

My other thought is to do away with the weight ring option all together. I think it should be a great, as is, responsive. All the weight ring options can cause too much fiddling with the yoyo and less playing. From all my time playing, and reading all the responsive threads, most like a lighter responsive yoyo. It is super rare that you see someone wanting a heavier responsive. I think settling on a great weight should take precedent over making a super light yoyo with a bunch of weight rings included. To me, as it is right now, the rings add too much heft to the yoyo for its size and being responsive.

May have more thoughts, but these are the things that came to mind while playing it yesterday. BUT, with all that said, I feel it’s a unique yoyo as is. And “As Is”, the only changes I’d make is to drop the weight to 52-53g and give it just a tad more rim weight.

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The larger rings are 7 grams. Just for giggles I tried those in my Deep State. I was certain it would be awful…but it was amazing. In the last 2-3 weeks I’ve gained new love and appreciation for some throws because of going from bearing to fixed axle, and now these weight rings offer options and possibilities far beyond the Workhorse application. Playing around this way has put less used throws back into a more regular rotation because they’re now something very different from how they were before. I know a lot of you are eagerly awaiting the production run of the Workhorse, now more than ever, but to help stem the gap, getting some of these o-rings for some throws you may already have is a very good way to breathe new life into a familiar yo-yo and bring greater variety to your throw time. If a link to those were posted in the Definitive Parts List…:thinking::thinking:

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The weight rings, I believe, are for testing only with the Prototype.

I agree it should “Stand Alone”.

But I do like the idea of people having modularity capabilities with it.

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I can mirror much of what you say here. As is…it is just freakin fabulous. I agree that the bearing setup should roll out as is, with the exception that the posts are shortened to allow someone “after purchase” to switch to a more narrow bearing if desired, without needing to do any sort of modification to the yo-yo. As it’s setup now it will offer people the same ease of adjustment with thin/thick lube/grease that they are used to and the gap allows for quite adequate string play. I’m torn on the weight rings as an option. I took one pair of them and put them on my Deeper State and it changed my whole perception of it. I was concerned maybe it would cause vibe but it didn’t. I absolutely love the weight and shape of this as is and I honestly think most people would feel the same, but if it were dropped in weight even down to 51, and the lip were still there to accommodate weight rings, then with the small set, it could be brought up to about where it is now…or heavier. Sometimes people like things that seem unreasonable or unnecessary to us. What I like, and advocate for, is to have the ability to easily make those changes if desired. But I’m not necessarily advocating getting all of those parts as part of the production package. I agree that will be a bit much for many people. But maybe having an optional upgrade package of parts for those interested. At a modest fee of course. :wink:
As is, once I get it tuned to my liking…this is going to shelf my Deep State. I’ll end with that.

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My thoughts, LOVE IT. Seems to have a lot of aspects that I love from the lighthouses of the modern responsive world, RBC, Mijo, Respawn, Deep State, etc., all the best parts thrown in to one completely unique throw.

I DO like the weight rings, I found my sweet spot weight/feel is either the small ring on the further/outer groove, or the large ring on the center/inner groove, but I like a little weightiness. Crazy comfortable, like an Organic Slimline which is very unique. I DO love the D-bearing but I’m a big D-bearing fan as well already. A LITTLE more responsive than I’m used to but I’m also accounting that the pads are fresh, so I’m sure that will change, and I haven’t touched the bearing at all from a lube standpoint to tweak or anything.

I think the only thing I’m having a little trouble with is the balance at times, maybe a little more rim weight if I were to nitpick as well. I have to really pay attention to my string and hand placement to keep it on axis at times for more “finger loopy” intense tricks like Cold Fusion or something. But that could also just be lazy technique I’ve developed with more non-slimlines.

Like I said, just a nitpick really, because all in all, this already is blowing away a lot of I already have in rotation.

All in all, I’ve gone through many yoyo’s, and I haven’t found one that gets as close to the general happy feel and desire to just start free-styling away that I get every time I throw my RBC (which is one of my faves) UNTIL the Workhorse, it’s really special.

Bonus points that you can just casually throw in a string of Loop the Loop during play as well without any effort, haha.

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This. It is huge. Just huge the impact this is going to have.

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:exploding_head: I didn’t even catch that the rings can be placed on the outside, that there are grooves there. Off to try that now!

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Sorry, I meant the groove further from the center, I should clear that up, the “outer groove” not the “outside” groove

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I think what he’s saying is there are 2 positions inside the cup for the ring. One closer to the outside and one closer to the inside of the cup

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Yeah, I knew what he meant. Trying it now, and it confirms my thought that it needs a bit more rim weight.

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Personally, unless Jake specifically requests private message. As someone who does not have the proto, I would prefer open discussion, if for no other reason than to see it’s evolution

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And here is the opposite argument on the weight rings. If you were to fill in those weight ring grooves…instant rim weight. It could be the absence of that material giving you the impression of a need for more weight in the rim.

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