I know the feeling. I don’t do improv or ever did. But I grew up in a family that watched the Cosby Show religiously (As in, most of us could quote like half the episodes by heart) and had at least ONE of his books on parenting on my shelf. I can’t do his stuff anymore simply because of the negative connection.
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If someone has done or said bad things in the past but has stopped doing those things and asked for forgiveness and now has a new attitude and seems to be going in a positive direction we should not define that person by their past sins just as we do not wish to be defined by the bad things we have said or done in the past. But at the same time, sometimes the things we say or do can taint the opinion people have of us forever.
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I’ve never been a fan of Chase, but the irony here is palpable.
Who here owns a smartphone? Where were your clothes made? What about your shoes? Do you purchase things off Amazon? Have you shopped at WalMart? Do you have any electronics that use lithium batteries? Go up the supply chain of most things and you’ll find unsavory business practices.
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I think the yoyo brand is a lot easier to avoid in this day and age than owning a smartphone or going to walmart. Those things are more necessities to society now than anything
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In our capitalist society, the only thing that even matters is who one supports with their money. Purchases are a direct vote for the company and the people behind it.
Sadly these yoyos are not “art”, theyre products and its impossible to separate the “art” from the “artist” when its literally just another product they sell.
I’m not saying I’m innocent from supporting companies with questionable ethics, no one can be with our modern global economy. Yoyoing is a small niche hobby and its super easy to not support companies who’s ideologies one does not agree with.
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Are we policing thoughts now too?
my whole point is that getting this upset about it isnt worth your energy.
Thye’re still going to sell out every drop.
Theyre still going to have fans.
All of the people making the most noise on here about how you shouldnt support A-RT bc of reasons A, B and C probably support companies with unsavory practices. i mean you could argue that some of those companies are necessities but they arent. you can live without a smart phone and you can also live without Amazon and Walmart. but people dont bc its convenient.
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so are you just completely against supporting A-RT and their affiliates?
Does that mean you also cant support One Drop? im just trying to understand
This is textbook whataboutism, one of the types of ad-hominem fallacies. It’s a distraction from the actual subject of discussion.
I personally feel like the criticism against A-RT is well-founded - and that discussing it here is just fine. It’s a minimal amount of energy to post about it here, and your concern about where other people put their efforts seems very weird to me.
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Right but being concerned about how people spend their money and the companies they want to support isn’t weird?.
I haven’t seen anyone say anything towards others about continuing to support A-rt, or anyone trying to stop others from buying A-rt, or even a hint of “cancel culture.” through out this entire timeline.
Conversely, I see a ton of people question a group of people who supported A-rt that no longer want to after learning about recent incidents. It’s their decision based on their moral compass. Either the yoyo isn’t fun to them anymore, it left a sour taste in their mouth, disappointment with someone they looked up to, or whatever the reason.
That’s a bit off to me.
At the end of the day I think it all comes down to this.
Leave the information up so that the consumers can decide for themselves. If you scrub the information, you only perpetuate this whole situation with a new group of A-rt enthusiasts who will eventually find out.
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It’s not wrong, but that’s why we work on making them better and finding better ways. Knowing things are the way they are is just the first step in creating better ways. It’s not a reason to do nothing or judge people for doing what they believe will lead to better.
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I think that the discussion around A-RT (in this case) or any company is important. In a niche hobby where company and individual are often blurred (depending on the brand), folks do really weigh beliefs, associations, and to whom those companies show support to. I’d argue most of us here support certain brands due to the interactions we’ve had with the brands players, owners, and general community image.
When social issues some up I think its important to see the community come out and say “hey this is messed up”, whether or not it takes peoples personal energy is not really anyone’s concern. That person identified an issue that they are calling attention to,it’s not like it’s without reason, and at the very least it gets more folks to look into what the issue might be. This is just basic accountability.
An Example:
Not sure if folks remember but just recently folks were pretty mad about another drop concerning a release of a yo-yo in which the previous owner of the design had scammed people out of money that was supposed to go to charity. Although the new release had very little to do with the old company/scammer (different designer, involvement of the prior company was said to be only for approval of reusing the design), it wasn’t wrong for folks to get up in arms about the new drop and voice opinions about not supporting the new one based on the image around the prior drop/company/individual associated.
All of this is to say, brand image in niche hobbies make all the difference, whether or not you are for or against the company in question really can boil down to if you like or dislike their image, players, content, more so than designs and how something plays. When it comes to supporting those companies financially, being aware of this can help many folks make that decision of “I wont support this company because ____ goes against my beliefs”, which is just as important as supporting a company because you like what they are doing.
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I dont think I have seen a single person in the thread express concern about others buying yoyos or how they are spending their money. The only thing this thread is doing is letting people know about the actions of the company and letting them make whatever decision they want.
No one is saying you can’t buy their yoyos, if you feel like they are then I think that is a misinterpretation of what this is all about.
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Yeah, it’s not so much that I feel like boycotting a yoyo player/maker is going to change the world. It’s more like if I dropped my yoyo in the toilet, it would be less appealing to pick up.
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I think you just summed up it perfectly.
We’re done here.
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Couldn’t agree more. Andre and his team have been more than generous in letting the discussion continue up to this point without any type of intervention, and I really do appreciate that. As much as I would like to address certain people, I really do think it’s best if everyone left the thread as is, and only posted for truly important updates (like the one Andre said he would have eventually regarding the main reason this was posted). Enough has been said about A-RT at this point (it’s been fleshed out enough to where people who still have questions can do their own homework and offer their own opinions to each other via DM’s) and I would hate for the truly productive conversations that have happened in this thread to suffer the same fate as previous threads that continued unnecessarily. I appreciate everyone in here at the end of the day and think healthy discussion in the hopes of making the community a better place is awesome. But yeah, I agree - that’s all for now folks!
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Amen…
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