Wrongful, blatant forum censorship (and a larger discussion about A-RT as a company)

Cotton bro I really love ya, but this ain’t it man. I respect your opinion and can understand where you’re coming from but I really do think it’s a rather… niche… point of view.

It absolutely does. And people have expressed that, even though it’s not the MAIN point of this thread, there’s a lot of evidence here that people DO really care about who A-RT (or any company in our community) associates themselves with. People care what they spend their money on, and understandably don’t want it going to garbage people. When it comes down to it, people talk and vote with their wallets more than anything else.

But that’s the thing though… you ARE supporting the company regardless of your purchase intentions - the two are just simply and inherently tied together. No matter what, at the end of the day, you giving them money for a product is supporting them, their business and allowing them to keep doing what they’re doing - good or bad. The only way to arguably separate purchasing said company’s products from supporting them is to buy them second hand - but I don’t even really personally think that’s a great solution either, since it still creates demand for the product and in turn drives up primary sales.

That’s one of the aspects that sucks so much about this whole thing! As I said before, I love Jensen and Charles as throwers, they’ve been my actual favorites since I was a kid! And I love the Grail (and have NEVER been shy about that), I think it is a literal work of art and one of the greatest organic yoyos, if not one of the greatest yoyos ever made, period. Same can be said about their other products I own. So that’s what makes this situation very complex… and I know so many others have a similar background and feel the exact same way. It’s just not a simple, black and white, “just buy the products and don’t worry about who’s behind it or what they’re doing!” Cause while I do want to buy their products (especially that new D7!) I absolutely do not want/can’t bring myself to give them any money anymore. And it really, really sucks to see people you looked up to for forever associate themselves, and intertwine their brand and marketing with absolute dumpster fire human beings. It’s difficult because you WANT to support them but then they go and do dumb, inexcusable stuff that makes you want to run the other way.

It’s the classic conversation of can you “separate the A-RT (lol) from the artist”… well, in this case, I can’t. And from most reasonable people I’ve talked to, they don’t want to either.

Would be happy to. If I don’t do it tonight I’ll have it to you tomorrow. :+1:

Also side note (to everyone)… I really think everything that needed to be discussed here got fleshed out already, and in my opinion the thread satisfactorily came to a natural conclusion after Andre’s great response. Unless people really have something important to add, I’d say it’s best we leave it as is - especially regarding the A-RT stuff. It’s a really important conversation, but for now, even I’m tired of talking about it at this point lmao

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