Weird question, but can anyone help out with Outlier+ vibe?

Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance
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So I have two identical Outlier+’s.
One had minor nail vibe, the other had finger and nail vibe.
I tried half swapping them, but that didn’t solve anything, so I swapped back, and now both have very bad nail and finger vibe.
Looking at the halves I think I may have damaged the bearing seat(s)?
Either way, I can’t get the vibe out of either of them now.

Is there anyone with more tuning experience than me that I can ship these to and have you try and tune them?
I can PayPal for the work/effort, or you can keep one of them.

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Can you see a visible rim shift?

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No. The steel rims look and feel normal to me

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I got a question for you, and it’s not really any kind of brainstorm or something like an epiphany that I just had… But more of an obvious thing, as a source of potential useful information

By any chance, have you tried contacting Brandon Vu directly

Since he designed a thing and did most of the testing before he released them for retail sale, I would say that I would bet good money and I’m not known as a gambler… But I would bet good money if anybody has any kind of idea or ideas on what you might be able to do to at least get a better result than you have right now… That would be what I would suggest.

He is real easy to get a hold of. He’s a really nice guy, and he wants people to enjoy his products enough to at least be inspired to play with them.

This is not just about you. I mean it is in this case because it’s a problem that you’re dealing with

But when I say this isn’t about you, it’s very simple. I would say over the years any good number of people have something funny going on with their yo-yo or maybe a few of their yo-yos from a certain couple manufacturers.

I haven’t done any research, but from the people that I’ve talked to me and asked me for advice, considering I supposedly know something about yo-yos, and the first thing I asked them is, did you get a chance to contact the guy that made the yo-yo?

I would say at least 90% of the time. they don’t hesitate to tell me either they didn’t get a hold of the maker/designer/designer/seller or they hadn’t even thought of it, lol

I will contact Brandon for you and give him a link to your post. He will either jump into this thread and say something to give people general information on the subject. Or he will contact you directly to see what’s up?

He’s really a nice guy, and he doesn’t try to pull anything on anybody.

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I haven’t tried contacting Brandon. I mean, if you want to link him to this thread, that would be greatly appreciated.
I thought that since these weren’t brand new from Offset directly, and since I tried doing the half-swaps myself, that this would count for some sort of user error?

I honestly never thought of contacting Brandon directly, my first thought was to come to the forums and see what knowledge I could gather from others who are more experienced than I in tuning.

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would you be able to post some pictures? specifically of the bearing seat

once it gets messed up enough it’s pretty hard to recover, i know i’ve used emory paper (shoutout @MarkD for that suggestion a few years back) to VERY carefully and evenly shave down posts that had a deathgrip on bearings

in terms of other things you can try:

  1. making sure the rims are 100% set, if you have a vise and something soft to sandwich the yoyo in (i like to use old bits of leather or rubber) you can do that, or just throw it on some carpet and step on the bearing seat (be very careful, especially with modern competition yoyos you can easily bend the hub area)
  2. different bearings, especially if you have some different brands of them laying around, there’s some throws i own that are only smooth with NSKs for example because they tend to fit a bit tighter than regular bearings
  3. using teflon tape on the axle to make it sit slightly differently
  4. ding it again and hope it helps (mostly kidding but i’ve had a few yoyos magically damage themselves back into being smooth.. feels like black magic)

sometimes you just cut your losses and turn it into a 3a pair or a beater yoyo you keep in your car 24/7 or something

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You gotta trust me on this… Brandon, from what I am told is the quality control for the stuff he has made. I’m pretty sure, but I may be wrong. It’s happened… But I’m pretty sure that Brandon actually puts the yo-yos together and does the QC himself… Quality control that is. but he does a lot of stuff in the process of bringing his yo-yo’s to the point of retail sale.

Also, he is somewhat of a perfectionist, at the very least, and I have no doubt that he’s done a lot of half swapping as have many yo-yo makers/designers/sellers, etc.

I will contact him for you right now. I’m not saying he has a magical answer. But what I would say is he would find your curious adventure to be adventurous. Lol

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I’ll try and take some pictures tomorrow when there’s better light.

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Thanks for the info and the help!

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I have a rim alignment tool available for the outlier + if that helps you out. Alignment tools

If you have access to a printer I can send the files.

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I actually already have one!
It works great, I just think this particular issue is with the bearing seat/axle.
I did attempt to use the tool on both Outliers, thinking it may be that.

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oof yeah those are pretty chewed up, it might be that the bearing isn’t seating all the way down on the post?

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Yeah, guess I should have left well enough alone.
At this point, that minor nail vibe was nothing compared to things now.

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This is a problem I have had on some yoyos, bearing post tolerances are very tight and sadly some bearings just aren’t up to tolerances they used to be. I’ve noticed differences in inner bearing diameter going from 6.35 mm to 6.33 mm.

That aside, these can be fixed. It will require a lathe though and there are some caveats. There’s a possibility it won’t be perfect and that you lose a little bit of gap width if the seat is damaged and needs machining. The gap width could be fixed with spacers if the seats need a deeper cut.

Maybe someone else has a way of fixing these without a lathe (filing the burs with a diamond file?)

Greets,

J

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So since the problem piece seems to have gotten slightly worse, at this point, what do you intend to do with the yo-yo

I have another question in within the text of one of your posts, you mentioned that you did some half swapping. And then when it didn’t make things any better, you swapped the halves back and now everything vibrates.

Based on the way you explained it, it seems pretty apparent that you have two of the same yo-yo, am I correct?

I mean, it sounds like a silly question in a way to not automatically figure that you have two of the same yo-yo. But that being understood, I’ve known people over the years that have gotten yo-yos that seem to be as close as possible to the yo-yo they’re having problems with and they swap halves just to see what happens, lol

But if what you said is what I think you meant… Then you have two of the same model, and now they’re both kind of screwed up, correct?

At this point, if that indeed is the case, and the yo-yos are not fun anymore, you can send them to me.

I can make a better evaluation when I physically have the yo-yo’s. But there is a reasonably good chance that I can improve the way one or both of them play as a as opposed to how they play right now.

I’ve modded yo-yos for people for 28 years now. I normally keep it kind of low because it’s not a money-making thing for me. As a matter of fact, I’ve never charged to work on a yo-yo or two. And when I’m done, I pay for return shipping.

I know that may sound puzzling to some. But it’s very simple. I take the challenge of messing with a yo-yo or two. I do what I can within the scope of my experience, which at this point I could say is pretty extensive, LOL

It’s entertaining to me. and doing the work for free and paying for the return shipping is kind of like paying to see a movie. I’m literally paying with my time and labor and the return mail back postage no different than somebody buying a ticket to go to the movies. They buy a ticket and go to the movies, and I pay to work on someone’s yo-yo and probably have much more fun than watching a movie that’s all make-believe anyway. Makes sense when you think of it.

There are several other members of this forum that are pretty darn handy at doing a whole lot of different modifications. So I’m not some kind of standalone hero of the people.

And I’ve known a few of the other regular members that are known modders that will also on occasion do stuff for free just because they’re cool that way.

I have never talked to the other customizers to find out how they operate? So I only know how I proceed when it comes to working on a yo-yo.

You send it or them to me. I try to improve their behavior for free. And I pay for return shipping.

And even if for some amazingly sad reason, I can’t improve the situation, you are only out the money you spent to send the stuff to me. Which obviously I think makes it a lot easier to swallow, LOL
https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Mo_Chavez

I know it’s only a rumor… And tootin my own horn is not gonna get me a brownie button. But I’ve been around the block a few times, and when it comes to yo-yos, I might not be a trick machine… But when I’m in my machine shop and I start flipping switches and moving tooling around, some pretty cool things can happen. Fact is stranger than fiction

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You may certainly toot your own horn Mo, you can back it up!

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This is the way!!

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Thank you so much for the offer!
I’ll message you and we can discuss more!

And yes, they’re both the same model, both Outlier+’s.