Weight loss journey

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again, why does every discussion that includes disagreement get termed an argument and not worthy of continuing? intellectual discourse and debate is exactly how these things get parsed out. and personally, if it turns out I’m wrong about stuff, id rather be told that and have the opportunity to correct my info. personally I’m more baffled by NOT wanting to have these discussions as a greater understanding of the world and especially our own bodies gives us a greater handle on our lives and our wellbeing

but calcium is available in SO many foods it doesn’t have to come all from one food. kale, for one, has as much biovailable calcium as milk. that’s why ppl don’t have to supplement their diets with milk to avoid breaking bones as adults. there was an article from Harvard in 2021(?) discussing the unnecssary nature of milk in most adults and the link between excessive milk consumption and prostate/endometrial cancer. interesting read. if you’re interested i can dig up the link

100% yes the microbiome is HUGE! however, the efficacy of live culture yogurts and probiotic supplements is far from established. i had a lengthy discussion with my doctor as I’ve had major digestive problems over the last 3 months so this was a hot topic for me. he said live cultures and supplements couldn’t hurt but were more akin to topping off a pool full of water with a medicine dropper

thats all to say, yes, i agree with you that milk, as any part of nutrition is both complicated and there’s personal variance to consider. while i agree that milk has beneficial things in it, it would seem that all our info on the subject points to it not being a necessary part of an adult human diet and certainly is not a magic bullet for anything

please do! personally i love talking about stuff like this. as a former bio major and someone who keeps scientific company, im endlessly fascinated by such things and as i said i think discussions like this only go to helping each other lead healthier and happier lives

was the taste very different? was there a noticeable difference in how full or satiated it made you feel?

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Oi, I love weight loss and fitness!!!

Some of you may not know this about me… but I overcame a lifetime of obesity only a few years ago.

After blacking out at the dinner table one night, I finally went to see my primary for the first time in 4+ years. I was 270lbs (at 5’8"), cholesterol through the roof, and an A1C .1 away from Type 2 diabetes.

My doc didn’t have to, but he gave me a choice: start insulin and cholesterol medication, or take 6 months to fix my diet and exercise. I chose the latter!

After those first 6 months I triumphed! So, what’s the secret? Witchcraft!!!

Seriously though, it’s all about diet and a regular exercise routine :muscle:

It took me a couple years to get to where I am now… but I’ve lost over 120lbs and all my bloodwork is that of a happy healthy human!

My regular breakfast is oatmeal with chia, hemp, and flax seeds topped with cinnamon and fruit of the week. Lunch has been cheese, vegetables, fruit, and tree nuts with hummus. And dinner is typically 1/4lb of lean meat with a veg and starch or carb. On the weekend, I often let loose, but pay attention to portion control. I’ve always had an addiction to overeating, which I only recently realized.

Exercise is yoga, calisthenics, and kettlbell. My whole routine is only about 35 to 40 minutes each morning, but that’s all it takes!

I’m no expert, but I’m always happy to offer whatever advice and encouragement that I can to those on their own journey :saluting_face:

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that’s phenomenal, well done!!! the body craaaaves the healthy food and exercise but dang we get good at tuning our boddies and its signals out. thanks for sharing your journey, that’s very inspirational

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Raw milk taste much fuller, richer and it leaves feeling satiated 100%… on the rare occasion i drink pasturized milk it feels like white water, and unsatisfied.
Feel free to PM me for more info if your interested. Tthe raw milk world is much bigger then people think… like yoyos, once you know it’s a deep rabbit hole.

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Not quite at the 20 year mark but I think am about 7-8 years in of raw milk. I rarely just drink a glass of milk but I do a basic protein shake every morning with it. The biggest reason I like it is because with normal milk I’m “lactose intolerant.” Its not bad by any means but definitely gives a stomach ache. No issues whith raw milk. I can even drink raw milk before consuming other dairy products and have no issues. I am not a biologist but my hypothesis is thats the pasteurization prcoess kills whatever helps digest the milk. My family probably goes through about 3-4 gallons of raw milk a week with no issues.

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I am of the same opinion.

Disagreements are Great! Especially if it is discussed. Each individual has a perspective and experience we may never have had.

This is where true Learning can come in. And truthfully, you both may “Not be wrong”.

Just in this thread alone, we see different options that have worked for some, but have not worked for others.

The sad part is when these discussions become personal attack arguments.

With that said @Splizacular ; Your a Meanie Head. Sarcasm

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It’s more why are we chatting about milk on my weight loss thread. Shakes stick n the air. “Get off my lawn”

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definitely. I’ll go to timeout :disappointed:

sry m8 didnt mean to steer off a cliff :v:

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I’m being boomer ish. Carry on I really don’t mind I just couldn’t resist saying get off my lawn

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Five cups of raw chopped kale has 25% of the DV for Ca; 1 cup of whole milk has 28%. This amount significantly decreases if it is cooked or frozen. Granted, milk is obviously a liquid. If you can stomach it, I suppose you could blend some of those 5c kale into a smoothie or juice it to reduce the volume. Problem is, kale is one of the richest vegan, non-fortified sources of calcium. If you’re actually looking to get anywhere near 100% of your daily Ca through diet, you’re going to have to eat an incredible amount of greens and legumes every day without dairy. That’s not to say it can’t be done, but a serious conscious effort has to be made, whereas dairy makes it considerably easier (a glass of milk w/ each meal vs 15c of raw, chopped kale each day).

What it takes to get ~60% of the DV
  • With dairy: 1c kefir at breakfast, 1c milk with lunch, 1 oz goat cheese with dinner (on basically anything)
  • Without: 1/2c turnip greens sauteed w/ breakfast omelette, large 5c raw chopped kale salad, 5oz soy beans at dinner

Not to mention that many of these calcium-rich greens contain oxalate, which would prevent the calcium from being absorbed. That’s not to say dairy is without its own issues. If you’re buying conventional cow’s milk, it’s mostly made from breeds that produce milk with A1 beta-casein, which is highly inflammatory. Looking for dairy labeled A2/A2 can solve this problem. The large fat-globules in cows milk can also make it harder to digest, leading to acid reflux. Goat’s milk solves both of these issues, in that all goats (to my knowledge) produce milk with a higher ratio of A2 to A1, and their milk is naturally homogenized. There’s also the issue of lactose intolerance (especially in certain regions), but even this can be easily dealt with in those individuals by taking a lactase supplement.

Toss that link my way if you get the time!

That is very true. Much of the literature points to prebiotics (soluble fibers, polyphenols, etc) having as much influence or more on the microbiome than probiotics. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that many probiotics (including most Lactobacillus strains) are transient, meaning they exhibit their beneficial effects without colonizing the gut (i.e. while “passing through”). For what it’s worth, in my experience, probiotics have helped my symptoms more than any of the multitude of prebiotics I’ve tried (supplemental or dietary). I also know a few personally with IBD who were helped more by probiotics than prebiotics, and even one who was cured from homemade kefir made from raw milk (a whole other topic). But better than my limited experience is this practitioner who wrote an excellent article based on a blend of his clinical experience and scientific research: 3 Best Probiotics of 2020 & How to Use Them Effectively.

Sure! It’s entirely possible to live a long life without it past childhood. My initial comments were just in regard to whether it offered anything unique.

I appreciate being able to freely discuss for the benefit of everyone involved. This forum is a great place, but I think there’s been some artificial “peacekeeping” by stifling anything that resembles debate. I realize I don’t know everything, but I’m eager to learn. Everyone being able to get ideas in the open helps me do that.

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I think humans are the only species that drinks milk after adolescence.

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Why wouldn’t we? Milk tastes good.

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Humans are the only species that yoyos :sunglasses:

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I’ve heard this argument a lot and always wondered if it also applies to butter, cheese, eggs, and honey. I’d suspect not.

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Other animals definitely eat eggs and honey.

Anyways appeal to nature is a logical fallacy.

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We’re also the only species to walk on two legs and have opposable thumbs or to build & drive cars. Since other species don’t farm (on any large scale), should we not eat anything from a garden? :stuck_out_tongue:

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woa! easy now :crazy_face:

also, f7nding that article for you

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AND walk on two legs haha! And much obliged :+1:

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Weight loss is a matter of eating less. Arguing about what specifics of nutrition will or will not help with that process misses the point. As long as you are getting adequate nutrition; weight loss, or gain is determined by the amount of calories consumed. With new drugs such as Semaglutide, this is now controllable through medication that suppresses hunger so that you eat less without the hunger associated with traditional diets. Semaglutide also helps with the heart as well as many other effects we are just beginning to understand.

In a few years we will all be taking this drug in some form or another.

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God, I hope not. I sincerely don’t mean to have an opposing view to yours on every post, but Ozempic works by slowing gut motility. That has been one of the key factors in keeping me severely ill & disabled for the last 4 years, as it can contribute to things like SIBO. There may be legitimate, safe cases for its use, but neither type 2 diabetes nor weight loss are such, imo. Doctors (who should know better) are prescribing it left & right to unwitting patients.

This video explains some other side effects:

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