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I am not among those that would base a second chance on that but it is looking as though some are seriously considering it. There are many other brands out there, I would rather spend my money on the more reputable ones.
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That was me who posted about you being another victim. I am glad you and Heath are working on your relationship. I don’t know if I can be that forgiving. Heath and I talked quite extensively on the phone and I considered him a friend. I believed in his company and his charity drive. Any time Heath would ask for a blurb on High Speed Yoyo about VsNYYC I would gladly give it because I considered him a friend. Having lost friends and family to cancer, it will take quite a long time before I can forgive and even longer before I can forget.
If you want to pay for the production of currently unreleased designs, I can get them made using the same resources I’ve used for all my production yoyos. I have no interest in investing more money in production yoyos, but in this particular case I’d be willing to at least do the work required.
Why do you think yoyo design is rocket surgery? I wasn’t just talking out my butt–I know from experience. Not to mention, I’ve been lucky enough to learn a few things from an industry veteran or two. The hard part of making a yoyo isn’t the design process–it’s getting it made and marketing it. Getting it made is mostly a matter of money, marketing is mostly a matter of time and effort.
What do you think is so special about Heath’s designs? Is a SkyWalker a radical departure/improvement from all the other great yoyos out there? Don’t delude yourself. I bet most people could draw a design that appeals to them on a piece of paper, send it to the right machinist with the money to back it up, and it’d coming out playing just as amazing as anything Heath’s done.
When was the last time anyone bought a recent-release yoyo and said, “Man, this yoyo sure sucks. Even though it looks similar to all the other good yoyos out there, it just sucks.” Never, right? That’s because if the yoyo looks alike to the other good ones, it will be good. And there are only so many shape options there are when making a yoyo, unless you start delving into strange territory and even then, it’ll probably turn out decent unless you lack all sense of what makes a yoyo play well.
I wouldn’t agree that every new yoyo is good. Not at all. I’ve bought nearly a hundred in the last year and I can tell a very distinct difference between almost every one of them. Only a few are head and shoulders above the rest to the point that I’d recommend them. Some I outright do not care for. I won’t name names of those yoyos since this is not a bash thread.
I think the biggest problem with this tangent is that you’re unintentionally bashing all the great independant yoyo makers. I know what you’re trying to say, but I don’t think you’re doing a very tactful job of saying it. Yoyo design may be something that every person CAN do, but as with anything, it takes a special mix of talent and effort to really be great. That goes for Heath, Chris at CLYW, and all the others. Let’s not allow Heath to make us disrespect others who do what he does, but honestly.
In business, unfortunate situations like this happen. Companies get into financial trouble because the owner, while a brilliant creative mind, cannot manage the business end of the company. Usually, the company that is in trouble is acquired by another company that is in better financial health and the assets are either transferred, or the company is kept intact and operated as a subsidiary.
I would think that this is a great opportunity for a Duncan, YoyoFactory or any other manufacturer, to acquire a premium brand and perhaps the design talent, for a good price. Loans to cover charity issues could be repaid by a “purchase” price and Heath could do what he does best, letting the acquiring business do what he does not do so well; like ship products and pay invoices.
It is all well and good to say another company should come in and swoop up the designs and the designer to get a premium brand. You and the others who have suggested it seem to be glossing over a simple question.
What company would want to be associated with this mess?
That is what is going to happen to any company that buys out VsNYYC. They will be tied to this whole mess even if they don’t want to be. They may even be seen as a company who is condoning the action and helping VsNYYC out after this whole mess was made. Simple fact of the matter is that the established companies don’t NEED Heath’s designs. They are all capable of creating their own. Most of them are already one, two, or even three models deep in development at the moment. Should they buy VsNYYC and put their own creations on hold? We all know the answer to that one. I am sure everyone would rather see Gen-Yo, SPYY, YYR, and One Drop bring out their own stuff instead of someone else’s product under their flag.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of these companies see yo-yo design as an art and we treat them that way. We buy a certain brand because we like how they create, just like we admire certain artists because of how they create. I am a huge Edward Hopper fan, I like how he paints. I would not like Edward Hopper if he acquired Picasso’s methods and started producing works in that style.
Are we going to start a new thread here?
I would express my disagreement; but that would just lead to another multi-paragraph response filled with meandering hyperbole and multiple subject points. I expressed my thoughts. Why not just let it end there?
I dont want to see a big company absorb vsnyyc. I can just see it now. Skywalkers being stamped out in China and ruining the value of all the throws to date from vsnyyc. That’s one thing I loved about vsnyyc or any other small run company is that they were rare and held there value. Not that yyf doesn’t make good yoyos but they never EVER sell for anything close to retail unless its a special one. Im a collector or vsnyyc and probably have the largest skywalker collection and I would hate hate HATE for some company to buy the design and crank them out since the skywalker was supposedly retired.
Geezer, I wasn’t aiming my response at just you. My whole being on the internet is not to counterpoint everything you say. Others have made the same comments about the company being sold… well before you gave you opinion on the topic. I was speaking on the issue at hand and not to anyone individual you just happen to be the last person to make the comment.
Here is a simple question you can ask yourself, I hope this should help clarify where I am coming from.
Which would you rather have a brand new YoYoRecreation design put out by the company or a heath design put out by YoYoRecreation?
Now before you go and say why can’t they do both? The simple fact of the matter is that most companies have only enough machine time to make their own designs. I would rather see companies put out their own stuff then make another person’s designs. At this point VsNYYC has run it’s course. There are plenty of them out in the wild and the BST is where to get them if someone needs their fix.
I love VsNewton. I forgave Heath but it may take a while to forget after hearing other people’s stories about losing a loved one from cancer. This was a very very sad event that happened. I say we give VsNewton a chance to revive.
i have no issue with making this public . I love you guys. I want to make everyone happy, it’s why I created VsNYYC. The charity projects are nothing new to me, and just as dear to my heart as you guys are.
I’ve done a lot of things right, I’ve messed up some things… This is one if the things I’ve done right, and it is awkward to defend myself against something I’m not guilty of.
the first donation was made already, yes. I will publicly provide documentation, not a problem.
the 2nd donation has not yet occurred from the recently ended sales, just waiting on a local guy who had agreed from the beginning to match a percentage. That final donation should be received on or around Oct 1st. I will publicly show documentation of that payment as well.
Please forgive me if you received a late shipment, if you didn’t receive enough strings, or if I didn’t put enough extras in to make up for any delays… I am a student, an innovator, creator, designer, and a nerd, and my sole purpose here is to make you guys happy with world class yo-yo’s. I’m not always the best communicater, shipper, spokesman, defender, and sometimes not the best business person, but I strive to please you guys. you are why I am here, and I humbly ask for your continued support moving forward as I continue to improve and strive to exceed your expectations in every aspect of making VsNYYC one of the best yoyo companies around ----end
This is doubtful. Would you come back to making yoyos for the same people that you scammed? What would that say about him? What would that say about us? My problem is not so much the monetary value, but that Heath believed that he was so high and mighty that he side stepped the apology for so long. Who the hell gave him this ego? We did. Comments like this and others who are so sure he’s a good guy underneath and so sure that it was just an accident, make me feel very guilty. I made a post just in the last two months warning him to keep his never ending idea machine in check. Too many broken promises and disappointing, “well guys, sorry it won’t work” or “sorry, no XXX runs for XXX.” I practically wrote him off and that was just concerning his yoyo releases, before this whole charity business came to light. If he’s so sorry and deserving of another chance, why not just apologize from the get go? He’s only sorry that he got caught.
Before this the demand for his yoyos was HIGH. Personally I just cared a bout his yoyos not really Heath himself. I was happy he made them but I was more into the yoyos.
I said I wanted VsNewton back, I didn’t say I wanted Heath did I?
i am over this … he got caught … he messed up … everyone is bashing him… saying this or that… blah blah blah and he eventually paid back what was owed etc … Its over… only time will tell what will happen.
I personally don’t care anymore. He doesn’t represent all of us … he only represents vsnyyc … the whole world doesn’t know what he did … only we do … so i don’t think anyone else outside of the yoyo world knows anything about it.
Thats it … whatever happens happens… those who want to get deeper into it will do that … and those like me who are treating this as what it is … and not making it bigger than what it needs to be … moves on and checks out the 20+ other yoyo companies out there (the number of companies are not accurate) but you get the point.
I think alot of people assume that you can have one, but not the other. VsNewton revived without Heath would not represent VsNewton as it did. A total change. This isn’t like any standard company buyout, it’s a total liquidation with only one yoyo worth remaking (Skywalker) due to the initially sizable financial costs. I’m not attacking you at all, just pointing out that while you say you don’t care about Heath, the reason that you love VsNewton is because of him.
It would surprise me very much if Heath sold his CADs. I mean what reason does he have to promote a company design that he would no longer be at the center of? He’s a self-proclaimed dreamer, artist, designer, student, a whatever, and he wouldn’t be any of that without his company.
I know I’m going to get a lot of hate for this, but I would love to see Vs. Newton back with Heath. If Vs. Newton is able to make a honest comeback, I believe Heath will have changed. This scamming people and stuff, it upset me. If Vs. Newton can return as a good, reputable company that always follows through on orders, and takes other people into consideration, than I may buy a SkyWalker.
Heath is not a good businessman. You can’t really change your mind one day and suddenly know how to run a business. Heath is a good designer. I like my Skywalker and I want to try a Battosai, but I think, even if all this hell hadn’t happened, Heath would run the company into the ground because regardless of ethics, he seems incapable of just doing the simple things to keep it running.
I get updates from this stupid thread every 2 minutes. Everybody: It is in the past. Nothing you say or discuss will change the future. Let us see if Heath does something wack enough to earn his title back as a generous person and be able to show himself in the community again.
YYE Should really make an option to unsubscribe from a thread!
I can’t fathom how anyone can possibly be so attached to the crap yo-yos that kid made that they would forgive his actions just to “get the VsNYYC brand back”.
There’s a whole world of equipment that plays the same or better, with better quality control, and without the negative of you giving money to lying, thieving scumbag to get it.
How about just gladly and proudly supporting the companies that support the community, instead of wasting your tears on one that just lied and stole from you?
