Didnt mean to ty.
So i take it your for number 4 then
Or did you not read the whole thing.
what about number 3? You stated anyone can make a yoyo.
Iâll not buy anything affiliated with that name, no. I donât think he should be burned at the stake, but I am also acutely aware of the fact that he only donated the money because he got caught. I hope someone will post some negative feedback for him. Even though the situation is fixed, people deserve to know the stain that exists. Everyone else has to risk receiving bad feedback, Heath is no different if he has scammed someone via trade/sell. I think that is fair.
Itâs common courtesy to accurately rate someone on the B/S/T and by the looks of it, all the people who have been âscammedâ or âripped offâ by Heath have not fulfilled their end of the bargain either. Post something, get it down in writing.
We really donât have the power to control Heath. He can do whatever he wants with the company because itâs his, as are the designs. If he wants to keep trying to sell yoyos then he can do that, although some stores may not carry his products. I suspect that wonât happen for a while though because he even had to take a loan to make the most recent donations. A run of new throws is probably about the last thing on his mind from a financial perspective.
Kinda sad cause the septopus production run was suppose to drop this month 
dont see that happening anymore.
If VsNYYC makes another run of throws I would buy one, I turn to the bst to get one
I have thought long & hard before making this post, but I have decided that if Vs. Newton is going to go down, then I likely have more right than anyone to have my say. Why? Because I am Heathâs mom, & Vs. Newton would have never existed had I not given Heath the start up money for the company. I am not making this post to make things better or worse for anyone, like I said, I think I have a right to my say, & while Heath does know that I am making a post, if he ever does read it, it will be on this forum, not beforehand.
There are many reasons I decided to give this start up money to Heath rather than make it a loan, the 1st being that it would be safe to say that while growing up Heathâs sister generally got more than Heath did (granted, she did better in school, & thus, deserved greater rewards). Also, Heath happened to move out right before I began to do better financially. (Pay for nurses in the area skyrocketted right after Katrina.) Also, there was money spent on his sister that never âproduced fruitâ (modeling & acting classes), so I figured all in all it would be fair to give him the money to make things âevenâ with my children. I wish to make it clear that I did not in any way have anything to do with the business decisions regarding Vs. Newton. This was indeed Heathâs company, & any involvement I had with it was only to the extent of making a trip to the post office if my schedule better permitted me to do so than his schedule did, or making stickers on my computer, or wrapping yoyoâs in the tissue before putting them in the box.
Also, before I go on, I wish to thank the people that kept the pressure on Heath to donate the charity money raised. I had no idea it had never been donated, & was shocked, dismayed, disappointed, (insert any other appropriate negative adjective here) to learn that he had lied about it. I did not raise my children that way.
Regarding these charities and how I raised my children, I wish to share a little story about Heath as a boy. It was Christmas Day & Heath was 3. He had gotten the toys he wanted, & toward the end of the day, he began acting up a little bit. His father & I were still together back then & his father told him that if you act bad on Christmas Day that Santa Claus comes back & takes your toys & brings them to the children whose parents didnât have enough money to give to Santa Claus. We told him that the boyâs name was George & that George was just like him & wanted all of the toys that Heath wanted & that he had been good all year, but that he didnât get the toys because his parents didnât have the money. Every year after that we had to buy a toy for George & give it to Toys for Tots. Heath picked out the toy because we told him that George was just like him & liked all of the same toys that he did. One day Heath asked if George lived near our home. I told him yes. The next thing I knew Heath had taken his pillow from his pillow case & had filled the pillowcase with toys & said âBring me to Georgeâs house. I want to share my toys with him.â Our story was busted. I quickly made up an excuse that Georgeâs mom was too sick for George to have friends over, but Heath pretty much figured it out that George was made up.
Anyway, back to the present. I never imagined how much I would come to enjoy interacting with the yoyo community, & I didnât expect that Vs. Newton would bring a closer relationship between Heath & me, but it did. I loved going to the World Yoyo Contest for the past 3 years, & I even learned Japanese to better communicate with the players from Japan. Ironically, even though my 1st degree is in Theatre, this was the 1st year I watched the Artistic Performance competition, & I really enjoyed it. I felt that if Vs. Newton team members would want to compete in that competition that I might actually be able to use that Theatre degree & make a real contribution to the team. Sure enough, before my plane had landed back home after the contest, I had a completely coreographed routine in my head like a little âmind movie.â I shared my idea with Heath, & he liked it as well. I actually cried when I realized that Vs. Newton would be no more & that my idea would never be performed. On a side note, I was also pretty frustrated to have just reached the intermediate level with my Japanese lessons only to learn there was really no need to continue with them.
This whole ordeal has had a horrible effect on my relationship with Heath. Most of you donât have to worry about your relationship with him, but I do. Heath was in my life from the moment he was in my womb, & he will remain in my life as long as we are both on this Earth. It is said that time heals all wounds, but as a medical professional I know that is not true. Some people die from their wounds, others die from other causes before the wound can heal, & some wounds heal, but a scar remains, thus leaving that person forever changed. What happens with Heath & me remains to be seen, but he has already paid back all of the money I loaned him to pay the charities, so that is a start.
If Heathâs time with the yoyo community has indeed come to an end, then I will have to say that I will miss the people that I met during my journey as I came along for the ride. Some may say that I can continue my association with the yoyo community because Heath was the one who lied, not me. I think most of you would understand how things just wouldnât be the same for me to be involved in the community without Heath. Heath is a horrible businessman, & he does incredibly stupid things, &( I hate to say it) he does have more than a fair amount of growing up to do, but he is not a horrible person, & it is truly my hope that somehow someone will one day allow him to continue turning out designs for the community.
Thank you to everyone for what you have brought to my life.
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Didnât see that coming.
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SeriouslyâŚ
Well, now Iâm bummed that a perfectly sweet mom is sad.
Kids really do put their parents through hell sometimes.
Yuki
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I made up my mind.
#1. His mom should run the company. She technically already bought it.
Yeah she should be incharge of the financial part of VsNYYC and Heath should just make the yoyos. God Bless - Moefv
I agree.
Ok, Iâll start off by saying that I feel for heathâs mom. As a parent I donât know what I would do if I found out one of my children committed felony theft while defrauding a cancer charity. I would probably do exactly what she did and help my kid out the situation in any way I could. At the same time I would be hurt and disappointed because I have raised my kids better than that⌠just as I am sure she did with Heath. To be clear, I do not blame her for any of this. I commend her on taking the time to write an extremely heartfelt response on the situation and giving another level of perspective to this horrendous situation.
That being said, are we so strapped for great playing yo-yos that we actually WANT VsNYYC back. I know that I would never want any of my money going to Heath in the slightest after this⌠even if it was his mother running the finances. At this point it would probably be best if Vs. Newton went away. The name is tainted, the designs are tainted, no sense in Heathâs mom being tainted by what her son did by taking on the responsibilities of running a company that he single handedly destroyed. She deserves better than that. What I took away from her letter to the community was that this is another victim that Heath didnât take into account when he stole the money.
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I appreciate your post. It was well thought out. But, I donât think Vsnyyc needs to go away. I think Heath doesnât need to go away either. Thatâs silly. From what I understand, the yoyo community has never just banished a company/person. Weâve punished people, for sure, weâve even taken away their privilege to compete. But never, ever, have we MADE someone leave. We just canât do that. Vsnyyc should be able to stay, but people will look at it and think âThatâs the company run by Slimeball Heath.â
Think about 2007 yomega. I hate to be first one to bring this up, but have we forgotten that Greg called in SWAT? I mean, lord, theyâre still around after that, Iâd even say that theyâre prospering. Couldnt Heath, or Vs newton as a whole, still go on, just without the trust. Iâd say that Heaths mother should definitely be involved though.
Just my opinion.
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And I know where you are coming from as well. Here is the thing, when was the last time one of our own, a manufacturer no less, did something this reprehensible. Yes, Yomega and Alex Kim did some truly terrible things and have been allowed back. None of them did something like this. The Alex Kim situation is precedent that people donât need a second chance. He was a bad business man when B.I.O. was around and when given a second chance under his new company RecRev he feigned change and ended up doing it again. The situation with Heath is pretty much new territory. There has not been a case of someone pulling this level of a scam on the community in the past. I think the Vs. Newton name has been too polluted to make a proper come back, and I am betting I am not the only one that thinks this way.
I guess the questions that need to be asked are:
- Why do we want him back in the community?
- Was he really that brilliant of a manufacturer that he deserves a second chance?
- Is it necessary to burden Heathâs mother with the task of righting her sonâs mistakes just so we can have another run of (-insert VsNYYC model here-)?
I agree I want vsnyyc to stay and I dont want Heath banished from making and selling yoyos. If you dont wanna buy directly from him (and for good reason) dont but if yoyo expert was to get a yoyo run from him you could buy in good faith that you would be getting what you paid for and wouldnât have to worry about it not coming. I dont know if Heath hoped people would forget about the money and never intended to give it to charity or he slowly tapped into the funds to cover costs and personal items while meaning to replace it but eventually it got to large of a debt and he lied because he was worried about repercussions. Ether way it was wrong and by now we all know that but I seriously would love to see Heath making new yoyos but with someone else handling the business side and him only doing concepts and productions. Will it happen? Who knows. Will this ugly scar ruin the future for vsnyyc? Maybe. But I would buy a new vsnyyc throw in a heart beat and I know a lot of you would to even if your mad right now. Im glad the money for the auction and happy trees have been paid. Maybe not the best way and it still leaves the question if he would of done it without the pressure on him but we will never know
Me too. Iâd buy more of Heathâs throws, because theyâre the best. Thatâs right, I said it. I think his throws are the best for me. I totally disagree with another poster who felt that anyone can make a yoyo. By saying that itâs simply a choice between a few shapes and a range of a few grams is just an insult to all of the yoyo designers and makers out there. And Iâm speaking as one of the people who had some troubles with Heathâs shipping âscheduleâ. It took me 3 months to get a Bat from him and thanks to the yoyo community, I got it - and more. It forged a relationship between Heath and me that still stands today. I forgave and he has been nothing but a friend to me since. You donât have to forgive. But you get to harbor the hatred for someone for the rest of your lives. Itâs your choice.
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are we REALLY going to base whether or not we give him a second chance on how good of a manufacturer he is? just saying.
I hadnât intended to keep posting about this but I feel that I must since there are people out there talking about me running the financial end of the company. That would be a bad idea for a few reasons. 1) my degrees are in Theatre & in Nursing, not business. I have never run a company, & while I have a positive track record with managing my personal finances, Iâve never run a business. 2) Even though I can manage my own finances, since Iâve never run a business, itâs fair to say that there would be no guarantee that Vs. Newton could end up in financial distress again, and 3) Iâm not trading time with my patients to manage a yoyo company.
Toward the end of my previous post , I made mention regarding that I hope that somehow someway Heath could again produce designs for the community. Toward that end I have been toying with an idea that Iâve tweaked a little to accommodate the current dismal situation Vs. Newton finds itself in. My home in Plattenville has been for sale since March. I had hoped to financially sponsor (in the form of a loan) a run of throws with a small portion of the money I hope to receive from the sale of the house. I never even brought this up to Heath. I wanted to surprise him once the house was sold. That being said, if a reputable person within the community can strike a deal regarding the septopus & G3T designs, then perhaps I can offer that financial sponsorship to them. The house would have to be sold 1st, however. Anyone want a great deal on a house In Plattenville, Louisiana?
Finally, one person posted that what they took away from my post was that I was another victim in this mess. That person was right. The hurt I felt for the 1st few days after I found all of this out was so unbearable that I couldnât even pray about it. I am beyond that now, & like I said before, since Heath has already paid back the loan I gave him to pay the charities that has gone a long way toward the healing of our relationship. Whether Heath & I re-enter the yoyo community or not, we must both work toward having a positive relationship.
Thank you for your kind comments regarding my post. I really didnât know what to expect once I posted it, but felt that I needed to have my say. I donât know if any of the peoplewho made comments are people who I met at Worlds or anything, but I appreciate it all the same.
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