Less yo-yo and more BST:
Charging people extra for the goods and services fee is wack. Like I just sold a yo-yo for 70 and the fee was like 2.33. If you can’t eat that small of a percentage to ensure that your buyer feels more comfortable with the transaction then how can you afford to buy yo-yos in the first place?
What’s particularly annoying is when it isn’t mentioned prior to agreeing on a deal that you’re expected to cover the fees, and then they try to flip it on you like you’re the cheapskate.
I wonder if some sellers take an affront to G&S, a sort of implied “What, you don’t trust me?” indignation.
I wouldn’t expect anyone over the Internet to trust me without a solid history of a bunch of deals and even then if I’m the buyer I’d still feel more comfortable with G+S. There have been too many instances of people seeming like solid dudes and then just bouncing with multiple people’s payments or yo-yos. This happened on the old forums and and I’ve read a couple feedback threads here about similar situations.
This can even happen if they ARE good people. Like, if their phone takes a dump or they lose their email account somehow.
Maybe a little too generous. Lose an email account?
Nothing unpopular about this opinion (at least to me). I don’t want to sell aside from G&S, gives buyer and seller some peace of mind.
Have you ever had an account hacked?
Anyhow, my point was that you should almost always use G&S. Because even someone with good intentions and good trade feedback can miss sometimes.
2.9% is light - if you’re buying anything I think the buyer should always cover the fees
Shipping and handling is already time consuming (if you want to do it right) I think the buyer can at least bite the bullet and cover the fees, c’mon man!
I feel this - I started out doing this because I had experienced it when purchasing (which I did multiple times before ever selling on here), but now my prices on stuff include shipping and fees; what you see is what you pay.
PayPal charges the seller the fees for a reason. They aren’t charging the buyer, so why should you be entitled to charge them? And like you said 2.9% isn’t much, which I also said in my comment. So if it’s not a big deal why charge the person buying your yo-yo extra?
Either way you put it…both parties would rather not pay the no big deal fee
Personally? I’ve always paid 2.9% on my transactions - I’d rather not lose out on a deal because of 2.9% - whenever I sell my stuff I expect the buyer to do the same…if not, the sale doesn’t go through -
And I would never send someone I don’t know money through friends and family, just doesn’t make sense.
Agree to disagree homie - this exact discussion has happened many-a-time on this forum already
@yoyodoc had a good write-up about this, I don’t remember what thread it was on
At the very least (and I still think it’s not a good look) people need to include the fee in their price and not be like “oh you’re not doing f&f, that’ll be three extra dollars.” At that point you’re just not posting the actual price for your item.
PayPal clearly doesn’t think you should be making the buyer pay fees:
“No surcharges
You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method.“
So sure we can agree to disagree but only one of us would not be abiding by terms of service.
All of my listings have included that discrepancy in the product description - never an oh and by the way midway through PM
Either way, my feedback has always been S rank for years on multiple platforms with this rhetoric
Tomato, toemato 
And charging 75 for a yo-yo you’d otherwise sell for 70 is cool. But explicitly stating “I’m charging you extra for the fee” is what I take issue with. Just price the yo-yo higher and everyone is happy. Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus present Best of Both Worlds.
The problem with g&s is that if I buyed from you I could claim my money and I would probably recover it even if the yoyo had gotten to me perfectly. I wouldn’t feel comfortable selling g&s because of that
The flip side to that coin is if you buy F&F, the seller can say thank you, never ship the yoyo, and say “I guess the yoyo was lost in the mail”. When I sell G&S, I ship through PayPal, which gives a tracking number. USPS knows package weight. I also record video of the process of putting the yoyo in the box and putting the label on. If someone claims the box arrived without what they paid for, I have some evidence. However, if a buyer feels the need to go to lengths to scam the system by lying about not getting what they bought from me, I just pity them for having no moral compass.
A couple of years ago, I was going to buy a b-grade direct from a smaller company. The price was good. The guy I was dealing with left for vacation, the co-owner asked me to send money F&F. I told him it was inappropriate for a business to ask for F&F. He said G&S was fine if I covered fee. 100% not appropriate for a company run by adults. I decided at that time they don’t deserve my business.
@French has this exactly right here! I’m gonna start videoing my boxing experience too on expensive sales.
I’ve only had one person buy a yo-yo and claim it wasn’t received. I ended up just sending them multiple free yo-yos and extras just cuz.
I’m a fixed axle guy, and honestly, I don’t think I like flip or varial tricks. I feel it breaks the flow of fixed axle play. I actually feel bad about this.
Delrin is better than plastic.
