No I really didn’t know what you meant. Now I do though.
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Yes i do tend to lose a bit of coherency and start typing gibberish after spending 2 hrs reading this whole thread post by post till 3am just cos i cant sleep lol
Thanks for the heads up tho 
cheers Chris
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Very excited about this project. I just recently was able to get a Skywalker back into my collection, so this is awesome. Will there be a mailing list or some other way of keeping up with this project other than checking back to this thread?
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I am well aware i am probably living on cloud cuckoo land when i mention this idea.
But what the hell. I was hanging with my buddy tonight and i was telling him about the Vayder project. He a technophobe and doesnt go on forums and stuff so he didnt know about this project. He asked are they doing a series of yoyos or just one. I said one but a series would be really really cool!!
Im well aware of the money, work and sacrifice that is going on with this project and cant wait to get my grubby mits on a Vayder finally and i am way jumping the gun hugely but i just want to get this out there 
We think me and my mate a legendary yoyo series raising money for charity say one model redo (with the original creators blessing) every three years or so would be the dogs boobs! Even if in future it was a run half the size with one yoyo per person it could be mind blowing!!!
For those of us that missed out n these ltd run top of the range yoyos when they were originally released cos we were broke, jobless, too slow to young or all those things itd be a way to get a yoyo coveted for years and years in our clutches finally.
I say this pure selfishness of course!! I for one have always wanted a Oxy Ti by Oxygene and have never even got a sniff of one, while theres guys with collections with five or more rare oxys in it and i want to kill them all with a rusty spoon and steal themlol Ive think even annoyed Carlo so much now with by recommending him to starting to make throws again that he wont answer my emails anymore :s
Maybe a poll could be done and the most popular legendary yoyo model voted for gets made??
Like i said chances are it wont happen but you can admit at least in theory this would be really really cool
cheers Chris
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I don’t like where this is taking us, down a path of knocking off old yo-yos. It’s disrespectful to the brand that made the yo-yo in the first place.
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Probably not something that should be made a habit out of, I agree
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I dont entirely agree. Some old yoyo designs become (in hindsight) very iconic and coveted, and remaking them allows those who weren’t around at the time (or couldn’t afford them) to have a go at experiencing them. Progress is always welcome, but yoyo seems to have reached a point where innovation has slowed to a crawl, and even older (relatively) yoyos are holding up years later. I do agree that it shouldn’t become a common practice, as new yoyo designs should be the future of yoyo, but remaking especially coveted designs on occasion is a good idea imo. Due respect though, I don’t expect you to cave to pressure and do this with G2; original designers would have to consent and I wouldn’t begrudge any who don’t.
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Like i said it was just me verbalising an idea me and my friend were chatting about thats all. It was that oh wouldnt it be cool if… conversation.
@G2_Jake and @smileypants707 If this were ever to happen (which is doubtful) it would have to be in a manner that all affiliated would be happy or not happen at all. The idea is that it would simply be a run of those yoyos that everyone loves and adores that had tiny runs and very few own, with the focus being the same as this Vayder project. To raise money for a good cause and give people a chance to own a yoyo theyve only been able to look at in pictures or behind glass in yoyo museums. Not to knock of yoyos or disrespect any brands.
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Could not agree more, this should be a one and done.
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I look at it hoping this motivates other companies to rerelease classic designs since it shows a market desire.
But it should be the original company doing it.
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I don’t view the idea as really any different than all the electric guitar and amplifier manufacturers who have entire lines of vintage re-creations/re-issues that sell quite well and are highly appreciated by guitarists. The popularity of vintage re-issues has not diminished the inexorable march of progress of new amp designs–just witness the ascendance of digital modeling amps and effects. Something for everyone, right?
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I was going to draw an analogy from music, and music covers.
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This is clearly not the case with the TiWalker, but a lot of the older designs you all seem to want to try are by no means great players. The allure of these models is that they’re old and super hard to find. There’s nothing terribly exciting play wise about a Painted Peak, Luchador, or old Anti-Yos, for example. There are modern equivalents that play much better and are readily available. I think that old models that derive value in rarity shouldn’t be reproduced for the sake of having them be available, especially considering how important play seems to be for everyone in deciding what yoyos to purchase.
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Well, from a sales perspective, I’m not sure it matters why people want to buy something, only that they do. If enough people want to buy, say, some vintage Anti-Yo re-issue (for whatever reason), then not making them is just foolishly leaving money on the table. Moreover, I don’t see it as the responsibility of a business to foster a collector’s market at the expense of new buyers (and possible new revenue).
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Most of what people want are either from well-established companies that don’t really need the money of a single release or from companies that have been gone for years. From the latter, there shouldn’t ever been remakes without consent which I doubt most small makers would give. From the former… does CLYW really stand to benefit from putting out another 50 Painted Peaks?
Clearly I am biased in favor of upholding a collector market. I just don’t see the value of bringing something coveted back for the sake of doing it, that’d kill the incentive to collect which a ton of people in this hobby do.
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You may be right about small makers, but you can’t really speak for all of them. I would suggest we let them speak for themselves. For instance, Heath has eagerly embraced the TiVayder project, and who’s to say other small makers who have been out of the game a while wouldn’t jump at the chance to do something similar?
As for the example of CLYW and the Painted Peak, well again I think that should be left up to CLYW to decide for themselves. Obviously if a company sees no profit potential in re-issuing some old classic throw then they wouldn’t bother, unless maybe it is for charity or something where sheer profit potential isn’t the only possible motive.
I agree that doing something just for the sake of doing it can be a dubious endeavor, though an awful lot of great art exists because someone followed that very impulse. However, I don’t think that is what is being proposed here. Whether or not a potentially profitable re-issue jeopardizes a collector’s market is an issue each company has to wrestle with, I suppose. However, in other industries it is abundantly clear that re-issues do not carry the same after-market value as the originals, and I don’t see that being any different for yoyos, at least not for those that have caché beyond mere playability/performance.
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I don’t think this projects success has much to do with the model. More about the at cost price, as the majority of the people on the forum haven’t played or hear of a tiwalker before this.
I think the only reason this project got the originals brands blessing is because they have been trying to find a way back into the community since they were “shunned” for lack of a better word after a major scandal.
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I like the idea of making things available for everyone and I respect the idea of the benefits that remaking successful designs can offer: guaranteed more money from tried and tested designs. If the companies want to do this then that is great. I loved the redesign of the Peak 2, it brought it up to modern specs and made a Peak-alike more available to everyone. But no one should do this or even pressure a company into doing this.
I kind of like the idea of there being a few rare yoyos out there that are limited (even if I don’t have them), it makes them special. If everyone had one they would no longer be special.
The whole endeavor of the Ti-Vayder is an exception. I think things would be different if VsNYYC was a much larger company that was still in the loop.
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Exactly, if the COMPANIES want to do it. Not someone reverse engineering the yoyo, making the CAD, getting prototypes, getting everything pretty much done THEN getting approval from the company if they want to get aboard. What is, or has, been happening with this project should not be a model to get older and desirable yoyos remade.
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Well, this bifuricates the debate into what to do and how to do it. I mean, regardless of how you feel about the process used to produce a re-issue, there isn’t even consensus on whether producing re-issues is a net-positive endeavor in the first place.
In the case of the TiVayder, yes, Jeff got the ball rolling while he was trying to connect with Heath to get his blessing. In the end, Heath appears to be very pleased with this project despite the unorthodox/awkward way it got up to speed. If you want to be offended by the “model” of the TiVayder project on the original creator’s behalf, well, go for it I guess, but I don’t know that this is a terribly compelling poster child for outrage since even Heath won’t stand in the protest line with you.
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