It’s like a set with the numbering you got. 
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Yeah, it’s really nice that they’re more widely available and that the collectors won’t have much to complain about with the nature of the most recent release. I do think RSO should have just advertised them as b grades across the board. The ano stripping process is not real kind to bearing seats, and frankly I don’t think any other manufacturer could have gotten away with calling these a grades.
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For what it’s worth my it’s it and Valencia preludes are both up to par with any other RSO release but maybe I got lucky.
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Glad to hear it, and I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade. It’s a great yoyo and I’m glad more of us will get a chance to try one out. I think it’s more of a “principle of the thing” point on my part. In my mind a stripped and reanodized yoyo should by definition be a b grade.
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it’s a good yoyo but nothing exceptional, to the point of defining it as one of the best organics ever… to give an example, and many could be done, the Hatrick OG is head and shoulders above it in terms of playability and performance. Not all batch II have undergone anidization stripping, the acid washes have not undergone it, and neither have the few A-grade popcorns.
p.s. clearly it is design bound and not freely engineered (see hubs weight)
Ironically, the Hatrick is basically tied with the End 2 for me. I obviously haven’t tried every organic, but of the many, if I could only own three, it would be those two and an Overture
The Hatrick definitely outperforms it, that cannot be denied.
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The playability/performance has nothing to do with why I consider it to be one of my favorites. It’s a yoyo design from a different era. Real Anti-yo designs are so extremely expensive while being very historically significant. They’re unobtainable for most people.
Being able to play what feels like an Anti-yo design while having a modern axle system especially is great.
Obviously you’re welcome to disagree and say this is an irrelevant, outdated design. But you can’t deny it’s hard to find anything else on the market quite like the End Pt 2. And for what it is I really like it.
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Except that the re-imaginations also feature updated response systems that feel quite different than the OG stuff with pads (excluding the OG End).
Sure, but it’s still about the closest most people are going to get without dropping a massive chunk of cash though.
No M6 axle (and much shorter axle), no chaz pads (at least i think that was the response? I know they’re harder/wider/slimmer), thinner walls with a denser alloy, no needing to spend way too long tuning it to get it to an acceptable smoothness.
It may just be on a surface level, but it makes me feel like I’m playing a modern version of a classic yoyo I will never be able to own or play. And I think that’s pretty fun.
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I’m in Mable’s camp. I missed out on anti-yo when they were active, I wasn’t playing much at the time and had opted for a dif-e-yo cross bones as my first high end full aluminum yoyo in that era ( if you don’t have a dif-e -yo, you are missing out on some classic organic greatness). this is the closest I will ever get to the original and it plays exactly as i would have expected it to. it feels just right. I will admit I’m a little biased being a huge Doc Pop fan and the story behind it is a big part of what makes it legendary to me.
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I’d love for some yoyos in that organic vein with 555 pads to come out, but whoever does it, will not make money. Very nice
Unless @da5id did a November OG Project Anniversary drop? I love you buddy
hello Mable… I don’t know if you are interested in my answer as it seems that you know everything about my thoughts and my mind, even more than me (where did I write that that is an irrelevant and obsolete design?)
However, I’ll try to be concise so as not to bore you more than I would like.
the Anti-yo OGs, however sought after, although sold at crazy prices, are only the product of a purely American “mythologizing”, as they are by no means rare… the production numbers speak very clearly: Fluks 225 specimens, Eetsit 400 specimens , Bapezzilla about 600 (I’m going by heart), Ywet about a thousand cups discarded and then given to real other manufacturers (Recess, Core-Co, etc.)… huge numbers for the time… if you only think that the parts II made by RSO, in a moment where the visibility and the possibilities of planetary sale are different from those of the early 2000s, in all between a-grade and b-grade there are about 440 specimens and they are stagnating … understand that there is nothing rare or unobtainable.
what do you mean by modern axle system? does modernizing mean reducing the thickness of the axle for you? well then B!ST was so far ahead that it still hasn’t been caught up given that the Competizione in 2008 had a 2mm axle… Have you ever played with a 2009 Sleipnir with a 5mm axle and with a later one with a 4mm axle? do you perceive modernization? None of me… everyone has switched to 4mm for a simple standardization… for fashion which is very different from modernization
find something like the part2 on the market… in these last 2-3 years you have all the E1ns you want for example
the only push that made me take The End is to celebrate the effort of people who from an error/problem have tried to extract a strong point by trying to solve its defects and above all, for me, the true note merit (and this thing has never been understood by anyone) goes to Nick Corea who with a manual lathe managed to work such a thin thickness for 6061 without destroying those cups… which on a cnc machine would probably have curled up on themselves. For the rest, Anti-yos in general (apart from particular exceptions which were truly pioneering strokes of genius) remain good but average yoyos, as there were many at that time.
hello Mable… I don’t know if you are interested in my answer as it seems that you know everything about my thoughts and my mind, even more than me (where did I write that that is an irrelevant and obsolete design?)
However, I’ll try to be concise so as not to bore you more than I would like.
the Anti-yo OGs, however sought after, although sold at crazy prices, are only the product of a purely American “mythologizing”, as they are by no means rare… the production numbers speak very clearly: Fluks 225 specimens, Eetsit 400 specimens , Bapezzilla about 600 (I’m going by heart), Ywet about a thousand cups discarded and then given to real other manufacturers (Recess, Core-Co, etc.)… huge numbers for the time… if you only think that the parts II made by RSO, in a moment where the visibility and the possibilities of planetary sale are different from those of the early 2000s, in all between a-grade and b-grade there are about 440 specimens and they are stagnating … understand that there is nothing rare or unobtainable.
what do you mean by modern axle system? does modernizing mean reducing the thickness of the axle for you? well then B!ST was so far ahead that it still hasn’t been caught up given that the Competizione in 2008 had a 2mm axle… Have you ever played with a 2009 Sleipnir with a 5mm axle and with a later one with a 4mm axle? do you perceive modernization? Not for me… everyone has switched to 4mm for a simple standardization… for fashion which is very different from modernization
find something like the part2 on the market… in these last 2-3 years you have all the E1ns you want for example
the only push that made me take The End is to celebrate the effort of people who from an error/problem have tried to extract a strong point by trying to solve its defects and above all, for me, the true note merit (and this thing has never been understood by anyone) goes to Nick Corea who with a manual lathe managed to work such a thin thickness for 6061 without destroying those cups… which on a cnc machine would probably have curled up on themselves. For the rest, Anti-yos in general (apart from particular exceptions which were truly pioneering strokes of genius) remain good but average yoyos, as there were many at that time.
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If anyone has an eetsit B grade END they’d let go of please send me a PM 
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Using an M6 axle definitely isn’t modern, using M4 is.
I also love the E1ns and still want to get a modern C bearing one, that’s a fantastic yoyo as well. It doesn’t give me the same Anti-yo aesthetic and vibes though.
My original post saying that I loved the End Pt 2 felt pretty innocuous, I didn’t expect that small comment to stir up such a lengthy response. I just like the yoyo a lot and I’m glad more people can play it.
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your original post says this
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that not contextualizing it means nothing and since I imagine you will have also played with organic yoyos of current production Koi, Bowl etc. suggests that in terms of the game (performance therefore) this Part2 is among the best ever. For me it’s not like that at all, for you it is? Optimal. but don’t try to criticize by putting words into my mouth that I never said
p.s. a Da Vinci with an M6 axle would be equally modern, you’d feel just a little more kickback when launching It, since weight on the center of gravity doesn’t affect the forces governing the yoyo’s physics
I’ve played a Koi, ti Bowl, Grail, Parlay, Sudo, Freehand One AL, and many other modern organics.
What is the best for me isn’t going to be the best for other people. But the End Pt. 2 definitely ranks up there for me! I think my original statement was fine.
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I agree, your initial post was correct… it was the next one that erred enough in correctness… but okay, we said what we had to tell each other.
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It’s definitely a fun throw. It gives the feel of an Anti-Yo, plays like an old school organic, and my favorite part…it sounds old school. It has a subtle “ring” that it makes while spinning and it makes a nice ring on every bind. Hearing it teleports me back to 2009.
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