Well, this went from a nice discussion to a witch hunt pretty quickly.
Good job guys.
lol. with advice like that guess it ok tho
Deal with it. The world is not a nice place and people are going to say subjective things about people. Big Deal.
Boyd some of the stuff you put on your facebook is very disturbing which I enjoy by the way no disrespect meant to you.
But to others it could be very very offensive. But no one is saying anything about that, funny that all the people who found zammy and my little reply to a picture that she made funny herself. Is all friends of Steve Brown…
Weird hmmmmmmm
Withhunt? Absolutely. I made a post about this on my personal facebook and have had a huge outreach from female yoyoers who have said I have done nothing wrong via PMs.
Well, this will be locked soon.
I definitely agree with the premise of this thread. Sexism is a problem, and people being able to discuss it openly here is a good thing.
However, I don’t agree with taking a one word comment that was posted on Instagram, and trying to twist it around and make it out to be sexist. That’s not cool, IMO.
my disturbance is not gender specific.
and if it bothers you, you are free to delete me or hide me.
thanks
Anybody notice that it was TWO WEEKS between the last comment and Steve’s resurrection? Anyone else notice his comments were not in general but specifically called out two people that Steve has had issues with between businesses as well as personal?
Witch hunt (or whatever you want to call it)???
Yes, I’ll take one please.
So because of people’s non-mutual distaste for Steve Brown their opinions and thoughts are invalid?
I think it’s a REALLY good thing to point out that a person can (often unwittingly) say something or do something sexist (racist, ageist, etc.) without being a sexist (racist, ageist, etc.). I know I have, and completely unintentionally - especially when I was younger and more enthusiastic about spraying my opinions everywhere (I was an idiot, in other words). You’re not a bad person if you say something without realizing how it might come across given the context of an outsider. However, if you get called on it, it’s up to you to at least try and examine things from a different point of view. Getting defensive about it does no one any good, and if you really let your guard down and think about how other people feel it’s not going to change you for the worse.
That being said, it’s also appropriate to scale your reaction appropriately if you decide to call out someone else on something you find to be sexist (or racist, ageist, etc.) Finesse will get you everywhere (and there’s ALWAYS the chance that you could be in the wrong). It’s good to remember that we ALL are guilty of different degrees of prejudice in our lives at different times. Lead by example.
It might be useful for us to try to disentangle labeling a person a “sexist” from calling out sexist behaviors, images, trends, etc. Calling people “sexist” results in the sorts of derailed conversations we’re seeing here where people go back and forth about whether X person is really a sexist or not. The same happens with conversations about racism. Let’s try to stick to what people do and what sexism looks like, rather than what people are.
Just to be straight up, Brett, I was creeped out by the comment as well, and I couldn’t help but interpret it through things I’ve seen you associate yourself with on Facebook. And just to be clear, I’m not, at least as far as I know, one of the people you lump into the crowd of “friends of Steve Brown.” Nor do I have any interest in labeling you a sexist, a bad person, etc. I have no beef with you whatsoever. I just took a look at your Facebook page to refresh my memory and remembered that the most over the top of these is a Facebook site you have liked called “The Yoga Pants Farm”, which is a page dedicated largely to pictures of women’s posteriors. This isn’t an atypical sort of page on Facebook, and I was inclined to call it an instance of the sexism and female objectification this culture supports, rather than calling you specifically a sexist. But I’m sure you see that it relates and might inform how a person would interpret your “rawrr! Meow” comment. Frankly, even though someone took it upon himself to call you out for a creepy comment, this really isn’t about you, Brett. It’s about something bigger that we can address proactively. Given how few women there are in the world of yoyoing, there is all the more propensity for those very few women to feel isolated, marginalized, and objectified - as such, it strikes me as quite important that we do address it proactively, especially since there are women who have expressed concerns.
If anyone is interested, here’s a link to the film stillinkansascity mentioned - http://documentarylovers.net/killing-us-softly-4-advertising-women/ It’s illuminating.
I wish I could thank this post more than once, but I can’t so I’ll just quote it.
What we post on the internet can be seen by anyone, all the time. I’m sure the “meow” comment was harmless in the minds of the people that posted it, but those people need to realize that they are public figures in the yoyoing community and their comments everywhere are picked over with a fine toothed comb. If someone posted “meow” on one of my wife’s facebook or instagram pictures, I would be more than a little upset with that individual.
Men and Women both sometimes seek attention, whether it’s attention for their yoyoing or their appearance, we all need to think twice (sometimes three or four times) before we decide to comment.
No
But Steve resurrected this thread and called out two people while doing it. Why?
straight from the person who we replied.
Brett Grimes
Good Morning or Evening Tasya, you put a picture up on instagram the other day where you said Meow, Zammy and I replied back with Meows and are now being called sexist because of it. I am just asking in any way did that offend you? We were obviously being playful just as I am assuming you were.
10:58am
Tasya Ganihina
what nonsense is this? in this report, there was no discrimination.
Oh wow guys, and really?
First off, the things Brett and Zammy said are between them and the poster of the picture. It’s their relationship none of our darn business. If she was offended by it then that’s her problem to sut out with them either by deleting or blocking… though I’m assuming she was just fine with it… I would also like to point out that those comments wouldn’t be considered SEXIST if they were meant to be calling her excessively attractive. That would be called harassment so now that I’m having to define sexism for you allow me to give you Websters definition.
"1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women "
So can we all agree that Sexism roughly means: NOT treating women equally… as you would a man. and vice versa.
So with that being said wouldn’t it be considered Sexist to have a FEMALE sponsored when there are clearly other Males have better skills? Wouldn’t it be sexist to have a female sponsor just for the sake of having one? (I’m not singling any one out here)
You guys need to reevaluate what we are talking about here…
And correct me if I’m wrong but since when has saying someone is attractive sexist? not that RAWR or MEOW can be remotely related to that but if it was what they were saying…
I find it laughable that the person who went on a TV show called “wife swap” and treated another man’s wife like garbage is attempting to be the moral compass on how to treat women. Brett and Zammy didn’t go on and randomly harass a girl. They responded with the same word she used. It was a playful exchange and the attempt to make it more than that is silly.
Steve Brown posting up the instagram stuff was an immature way to handle things, especially given there is some acrimony between the parties involved already. Given that, it would be easy to say “Yes, I can see how that could be taken the wrong way.” Then move on.
It’s too bad this thread has devolved into personal vendettas.
A giant point to make, that many people have learned the hard way: communication on the internet (facebook, twitter, instagram, messageboards, etc.) is most definitely NOT casual communication. It is there for everyone to read and interpret. Loose opinions and seemingly innocent comments can be read as in bad taste, offensive, or worse (people have gotten fired off of facebook comments, etc… it happens).
Because he wanted to make them look bad. I think that anyone could look at those comments and think “Hey, that’s innocent enough.” But the fact that they were brought into a thread about sexism makes people be more alarmist about things.
I think this thread has used up its usefulness and is approaching an administrative lock.
There should be a separate One Drop vs. Yoyofactory message board.