Iād be very curious how the prototype version I have would do with these issues. Iāve got it and the production run and I feel like the prototype for sure has a more solid competition feel to it. The production run plays a lot flowier and lighter. Very good review though. I personally never felt that it was very draupniresque but thats just me.
Fantastic review, as usual. I think comparing a throw to other iconic, or well known throws, is one of the best ways to give the audience a concept of how it plays. Please keep it up and also thanks to FourCorner (not sure how to tag him) for providing the Doombot.
Outstanding review. Iāve felt that the Doombot has a noticeable amount of float (for lack of a better term) in addition to the power, where as the Draupnir has virtually no float to it.
Iām very surprised at itās instability at low RPM compared to the Draupnir. Many of us donāt have nearly the skill that you have and canāt push a yoyo through speed or on horizonal to find out where the limitations are. Itās great to have your perspective.
I think you are saying essentially that the Doombot is an e-type Jaguar and the Draupnir is a forumula 1 car, which I would tend to agree.
I know from your reviews you are a big Kenshin Kiwami fan. Having thrown the Draupnir again, where would you rate the Kiwami performance wise? Would you say that it is a āDraupnir Killerā being cheaper and actually available?
Iām really glad you enjoyed the review. Thank you very much!
And I like your car analogy, that is a good way of putting it.
As far as the Kenshin Kiwami, I would put its performance at around 95% of what the draupnirās is. It reaches a level of performance that very few yoyos get to, and it is certainly in the same league as the Draupnir, it can give it a very close run for its money in ay area you like, and may be better in a couple. But I think that Draupnir just barely edges it out on the whole. I would not call it a Draupnir killer, but it is certainly a contender. I think its a good way to go, considering its $120 cheaper, and easy to get ahold of.
I never really thought about exactly āwhoā mainly buys this type of yoyo(I have both the Proto and the Production models)(but I am neither a high level player or a genuine collector)
But if it is āmainly collectors that procure themā¦ then they are lucky to have them for sure.
Elvin told me he will āneverā make any more Doombots. <<>> like in never-ever-ever.
He said they were a major pain in the pants.
ā¦ I donāt care for most yoyo reviews. I appreciate the time and trouble āevery single personā spends making reviews. But normally a 9 minute review contains 3 minutes of information structured redundantly to end up 2 times too long. And another 3 minutes of āuhās and ummās
Your reviews are laid out with such a professional manner. Excellent speaking voiceā¦ excellent vocabulary and statement structureā¦ very good lighting free of pizza boxes and clothes on the floorā¦
Even though the Doombot isnāt at that top level of performance competition wise, I wouldnāt call it a bad yo-yo. Itās super fun to use for most tricks.
@nightshadow you are really talented man. Iām sure it took years of practice and commitment to get to where you are.
I donāt own a doom bot and have no bias but were the pads in the doom bot pink? I ask because those are extremely grippy and may hinder its performance on horizontal maybe. Iām just shooting in the dark here though.
I appreciate this review. Also dude I may DM you for tips on horizontal as I practice if you donāt mind lol
As far as the pads, they were honestly perfect in my opinion. Perfect binds but not so far into the catch zone as to rub on the string. Thatās really the only time Iāve seen the pads get in the way of a yoyoās performance.
I have to say, I found this review somewhat strange. Iāve been watching you do horizontal combos for a while now, and Iām always amazed at your overall skill and the breakneck speed at which you can perform certain tricks. Thatās exactly the reason why I was surprised to hear you claim that a competition-style yo-yo like the DOOMBOT (yes, the DOOMBOT was designed to be a competitive yo-yo) struggles during simple horizontal combos.
My skill level is much lower than yours, and I was still able to pull off a 14-15 second horizontal ārepeaterā on the DOOMBOT, which is nothing to sneer at, especially considering my overall level as a player. Watching a player of your caliber āstruggleā with a simple horizontal trick using the same yo-yo is quite surprising.
This becomes even stranger once you start considering the overall similarities between the two yo-yos you compare in your video, namely the DOOMBOT and the Draupnir. Not only only do these yo-yos have a very similar catch zone, but they share very similar specifications as well.
Draupnir:
Diameter: 57.04
Width: 43.42
Weight: 63.5
Gap Width: 4.40
DOOMBOT:
Diameter: 58
Width: 44
Weight: 64.3
Gap Width: 4.4
If anything, the DOOMBOT is slightly wider which, theoretically at least, should aid the player in maintaining control of the yo-yo during long or difficult combos.
Hereās a picture of the two side-by-side for comparison:
If we take weight distribution into consideration, we can see that the yo-yos are, once again, constructed similarly. Most of the weight is concentrated near the rims to maximize spin time.
All of this, along with my personal experience with both yo-yos, leads me to conclude that perhaps you have not spent enough time with the DOOMBOT to really test its capabilities. Either that or thereās something wrong with the specific DOOMBOT you were given as I canāt really understand why the spin time would drop so fast after a few simple combos.
Am I saying that the DOOMBOT is a āDraupnir killer?ā No. Thatās something very subjective in my opinion. Plus, it would be extremely difficult for any yo-yo to truly outperform a Draupnir. What I am saying, however, is that the DOOMBOT can handle pretty much anything that the player throws at it. And since we like car analogies in this forum, I would say that comparing the two yo-yos would be like comparing two different formula one cars, save one of them is as luxurious as a Mercedes-Maybach S-Class.
Anyway, those were my thoughts on the matter. Cool review, and keep slaying those tricks!
Good points in this comment, they are things that I perhaps should have addressed more specifically in the review. I do stand by what I said in the review, I actually ended up throwing the Doombot for a week or so before reviewing it, just to be sure of my thoughts before I put them out there.
Hereās a bit of clarification:
The main thing that I think is causing a bit of confusion here is HOW a horizontal combo is executed. I mentioned this in the review, by saying that the Doombot can do horizontal if you āreally baby the spinā. By this I mean really keeping in mind every move you do being careful not to do anything that would cause the yo-yo to tilt and die.
And yes, if you do that, the Doombot can do horizontal. As I said, itās not atrocious. But with the Draupnir, I can go as hard and fast as I want with horizontal combo without constantly having to worry about the yo-yo spinning out on me. And what I showed in the review was holding the Doombot up to that standard of rigor and speed. That is when it died.
Youāre right, I could have done the same combo on the Doombot much more slowly and gently, and it would have looked a little better. But the fact that the Draupnir can handle the combo much harder and faster is where the main difference is. And that is how competition horizontal material usually looks. It is what the yo-yos of that type are supposed to be able to do.
So would I struggle to do this horizontal combo on the Doombot if Iām being very slow and careful? No. Do I struggle to hit it when Iām going at the speeds and rigor that competition yoyos such as the Draupnir can do easily? Yes.
You throw horizontally, so try this. Do your 10-15 second combo horizontally. Now try and do it fast. Now get good at doing it with a higher level of speed and rigor. Now do it twice in one throw on the Draupnir. Now do the same thing on the Doombot. If you canāt tell a difference, then your Doombot is not the same yo-yo that I tried.
Moving on to what you were talking about as far as design: I could not say exactly why the Draupnir is capable of handling horizontal so much better. All I can say is that I have learned how sensitive yo-yo design is. In my time learning the yo-yo CAD basics, I was struck by how much the moments of inertia and momentum change with a small modification to the physical specs. A 0.5 mm difference changes the moments of inertia DRASTICALLY.
Yoyos that look similar can easily play VERY differently. Having promising specs does not automatically make a yo-yo deliver in performance.
Again, the Doombot is not a bad yo-yo at all. But the high levels of horizontal, it does not stack up in my experience.
Thanks for the comments, let me know if I can clarify my thoughts any more.