Permatex 22074 Ultra Grey for very unresponsive return system

Update: Tape method works great with Side Effect yoyos, does not work well with tapped axles and bearing posts lol. Struggled for 45 minutes to get a good stick/response cut until I said forget it and just did normal application lol

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I wonder if electrical tape would work for tapped axles since it’s stretchier.

I did an amazing job with the first yo-yo I tried with the grey silicon, and the. I did all the rest of my unresponsive, and about half of them look terrible. The ones I’ve tested worked, just looked terrible.

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I was using packing tape which is old and not very sticky, maybe a different tape would work. I liked the clear cuz I can clearly see the area i need to cut, etape is often opaque

Just getting to this post and don’t have time to sift through every post so this may have been addressed already. How is the adhesion of the gray silicone? I have a g5+ that has a really shallow response area. Sadly i can find pads in the correct size. All of the silicones i have tried in the past tear out after a couple of hours of play. I have tried flowable, red, and blue and they all meet thee same fate.

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This might have the info you’re looking for but I don’t know what that stat is called technically. I will say I have been using the grey in 80g hades pictured close above for like a week and a half or something I don’t remember and it’s held up really well for me so far and hades is heavy so more force required to stop it than lighter yo-yos and I throw super hard like idk if that is the same as how well it adheres, but it’s a good sign?

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Oh yeah also I came here to ask a question but then I got distracted—does anyone else think that the grey snags less than other response types? I feel like I’ve noticed that bc it’s so unresponsive, it’s more likely for the yo-yos spin to just slow and die instead of snag when I mess up and overcrowd the gap. Like I feel like my other yo-yos without the grey snag instead of just like nerfing the spin more.

I don’t know if this is placebo or true or what. I’m not saying it doesn’t snag, like it’s related to rpm’s a lot too, but I feel like I’ve noticed this and I’m curious if anyone else that switched to the grey has noticed this.

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It’s really good. Maybe a bit too good as I had a very hard time removing it from my yoyo the one time I did it. I never had to remove pads ever again since I can just top it off if it happens to get too worn out.

Even on a shallow groove I doubt it’ll have any adhesion issues.

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This is precisely why I started using the grey, although I think the bigger factor is the fact that I recess my ultra grey quite a bit.

From my experience most pads are not really flush, and even extrude a little bit. This makes a huge difference in play. If it extrudes even one tenth of a mm from the response groove, it will inevitably cause more friction, killing spintimes and make it prone to snagging.

It’s the combination of a recessed response as well as the hardness of ultra grey that really makes it snag less.

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One of the first yoyos I Ultr Greyed was my Covenant because the pads stuck out a bit and caused more friction as well as snagging. Since a lightly recessed application of Ultra Grey its not snagging at all, and just spins forever. Actually changed the way I feel about the yoyo lol.

I’ve noticed the same, just switching from regular flowable to the ultra grey I snag way less. I feel I have to be more deliberate with my binds but I actually think that has improved my technique. Sometimes I’ll throw a weak bind that would’ve worked with my old setup and it’ll slip and remind me to actually throw that loop in the gap. Binds feel great. I recessed all of mine about the same amount (credit card corner) and I am finding the response the best so far. I like doing things myself when possible so the application is no big deal. For me, its Ultra Grey > Flowable > Pads.

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I didn’t read all the comments, sorry if this was said. Is this grey stuff better than red gasket maker? I been planning to try the DIY pads very soon because Im tired of my pads falling out from the weak adhesive they use on some pre made ones.

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Way better and easier in my opinion

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I tried red and I was not a fan. Difficult to apply too.

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I would say that ultra grey is not less difficult than the red RTV gasket maker. Maybe even a little more difficult in some ways. This actually relates to the adhesion issue, now that I think about it. With red gasket maker and flowable silicon, it was pretty easy to get the excess off. With ultra grey, i feel like i have to scrape & rub a bit more to get it off. So I think the adhesion is probably better.

I just got some bulk string, so I had the idea that I would take a bearing I don’t use much, and use it + a cheap string on each yoyo and just throw it for a bit to make sure I didn’t get any of the silicone in the bearing seat, and I figured the first string I used might rub off some silicone if I didn’t get all of it myself.

Also, I felt like a messy application might perform less well, but every yoyo I tried was at least a little less snaggy, and maybe required just a bit more string loop in the gap to bind.

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Re-Ultra-Grey’d Deep State rips. Reasonably smooth surface, flush if not ever so slightly proud application and response is the same if not better than the Flow Groove pads. I personally prefer a reliable tug response than a snappy response and this is feeling perfect!

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Crazy how much faster and less messy this is with a package with a nozzle instead of the tiny 0.5oz package with no nozzle

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Bran, I love that you literally siliconing every yoyo you have ahahahah respect bro this stuff work so damn well!

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I have become a HUGE fan of this stuff! Response is just perfect, I still have quite a few yos to silicone but eventually they’ll all be Ultra Grey’d lol.

I do have a tube of unopened clear flowable for my responsive yoyos just in case I dont like how the Deep State and Weekender play long term

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Wait… did you say you siliconed a Weekender? I thought that black one on the left looked like a Weekender, but I had discounted that as an option because the response channel was seemed too wide/shallow to hold silicone.

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It was wide but I just filled it and smoothed it out, playing FANTASTIC so far! I do prefer more of a tug response but this feels relatively close to the core co pads so far

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