I just looked up the data sheet and the hardness of that is rated at 40. Ultra grey is rated at 45.
Obviously just the hardness rating doesn’t give the full story though. Dowsil 730 seems to have a higher elongation percentage and tensile strength. For the price and availability though ultra grey has been serving me perfectly.
I’ll have to get some ultra grey and compare them. I only used that because I got it for free and my Yuuksta had already split my knuckles a few times.
Also the main point of the dowsil 730 is that it is solvent free and incredibly chemical resistant.
Stuff is bright white and seems indestructible.
10+ years and 1000+ binds and this is the worst of the degradation.
You got social timeout but pads do fall out even w dry bearings. I’ve been running aster w dry bearings the whole time I’ve had it so far and this happened this morning.
This is why I stopped using pads. I got sick of pads unexpectedly falling out
did some experimenting yesterday. got a new yoyo, removed the pads but the residue was stuck. applied ultra grey over top of it. played it for 90min after 2 hours of curing, and then used it for probably 2 hours through hours 12-16 of curing. 0 issues.
i’m just gonna not worry about pad residue or letting it cure for 24 hours anymore. i tried after 6 hours of curing with a different yoyo and it worked great.
I do the same as you if there is a little residue i just dont care instead of stay ages trying to scrape that thing off.
About the time thanks for the experiment i will start to do it as you and wait less, probably 24 hours is in case you use a big quantity for what it is intended its use but our pads are very small
Have you had any other yoyo eat through pads like that? I feel like you’re the first person I’ve seen that’s gone through response this quickly.
Like your response pads aren’t just getting a little worn down and less responsive, your response systems are straight up exploding lol.
Hades definitely goes fastest like tachyon barely had ware when I decided to put grey in it and I’m not sure if that will ever need to be reapplied like it’s just not that much force on the response I don’t think when the Yoyo is so light. Nucleon had pads fall out but it took like twice as long as with hades. I think it just takes more friction to stop the momentum or something bc it definitely goes fast.
Interesting, we live in pretty similar climates so I was wondering if it was possibly just the pads Turning Point was using being bad. But if you’ve had the same issue with the Nucleon I dunno.
I really wonder what makes some people struggle with pads falling out, aside from humidity/climate.
Maybe consistently doing lots of binds while the yoyo is spinning faster would make sense, and the Hades just always has a lot of spin to spare. Do you do lots of binds with the yoyo still spinning quickly?
I don’t typically bind until the spin of the yoyo is almost dead, so maybe that’s why I don’t have an issue with pads wearing down much. That makes sense on paper tbh.
This is what discord said when I asked why the hades pads fell out so quick the first time. Since then I try to nerf the spin with a grind before I bind like 90 % of my binds are off low rpms. I don’t like it to return crazy fast. It’s could also be the tight af markmont strings I like to use like they feel rougher on my hands and maybe that translates to roughness on the pads idk.
I also just play a lot of Yoyo. When nucleons pads fell out, there were holes in them like you could see the bottom flat metal area like how it happened w hades. I don’t think it’s environmental or a problem even really prolly just normal ware. The yo-yos I use less have less ware on the pads by eye check.
also noticing that the area around your response pads has no color anymore. i’m genuinely curious what you’re doing to bind?
I’ve literally never worn a pad, ive never even seen pad wear outside the shine going away lol. basically every pad ive had to replace its because it started to protrude, not because it wore down
Yeah the color is waring away some around there. I don’t know why. I bind normally? Idk the color was waring off when I did the first application of the ultra grey. I’ve never had pads protrude before like they just ware down and then fall out eventually. Whenever they’ve fallen out, there has been visible ware like inside edge is thinner than the outside edge.
@bheinz63 mates the colour wearing off is normal, i have couple of yoyos that i play really a lot in the same condition, i think is just the string running against that bit a lot, you use your Hades a lot so i am pretty sure is the same as me, just over using a yoyo!
The pads are the same as you, I arrive at the end of it just consuming them, it can be the type of string too while for the factory pads falling off i agree that can be the bind while the yoyo spin fast
I’m finally about to join the club. I been riding out what was left of the pad that initially fell out of my recog but now a pad fell out of my shooting star too and won’t stay in. I been holding out hoping to find some flowable around here so I don’t mess it up but no luck. Let you guys know how it goes. You’re supposed to wait 24 hours right?
Well see how this goes…not sure if I messed it up. The Kowalski thing saying using a finger to smooth was kinda a pain. Shoulda used a card or a spoon. Im pretty sure Im going to end up redoing this.
Card is definitely easier and keep a paper towel close by so you can wipe off the excess but worse thing that happens is you have to redo it. The main thing you want to aim for is that the ridge around outside on the response area is flat bc then you just like peel off the outside ring and then the inside stuff. I waited like 8 hrs to play the yo-yos I did this morning and they’re fine. If you did the Dylan thing w the water I would wait longer bc that’s the only time I had problems curing. Here’s a pic of the ones I did earlier and you can see that ridge.
Thanks man. Yeah I realized I messed up by not separating the silicone to pull apart. I just got that whole mess all cleaned up and Im ready for take 2 haha. I found a bigger sized syringe I could use to maybe make laying it down cleaner but I’m not sure how much grey stuff to pour in the syringe or if I want to mess with it. Im definitely going to use a card this time.
Hopefully this works out better. Thanks for the tips!
Just tried out both for an hour. It’s really nice. I was surprised. I was worried it wouldnt be as grippy from some people’s descriptions but it’s really good. Probably my favorite response I used so far.
Ok then. I tried this once and made a mess and never tried again. I’ll be stopping by the auto store and getting the grey and trying again.
I’d highly recommend trying again with the flowable you already have first.
Ultra gray RTV isn’t self leveling and is much more finicky to apply.
And for anybody in this thread who is going to say “applying RTV isn’t that hard,” while I agree with that sentiment, if somebody has struggled and failed to apply flowable recently, switching to RTV is only going to be even harder for them.
