It’s worth mentioning I do actually pefer the feel of the IQ. But when hitting bangers like over the head tricks, horizontal, whips neckstole a, reverse neckstole 4.0 hooks and so fourth,i do choose the outlier plus as it’s simply just easier to hit cause it’s wider, and also can take the stress a bit better because tis much more powerful, so can take my slip ups. Also cause bangers reduce the spin time a lot
Do understand that brandon has made numerous mistakes when talking yoyo theory like exaggerating the effect of overhanging rims (it just made the outlier 3 fragile and b grade a lot for miniscule differences in power) and misunderstanding why his original inner ring outlier prototype lacked power.
Also keep in mind that brandon is running a business and actively trying to sell you product, and is omitting how other companies like c3 have influenced his designs through yoyos like the vanitas and galaxy diver (they are on his desk in early outlier+ videos and he has talked about the inspiration at yoyo meets)
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The weight on any super wide yoyo won’t be concentrated at the edge of the rim in any design or it would be too prone to oscillations from imperfect throws.
I’m not a physics expert by any means, but from what I know what really matters for a “powerful yoyo” is the total mass and the average distance of that mass from the center of the yoyo along its diameter. Don’t be too fixated on stuff like overhang of the rim.
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I’ve a theory (maybe not so much a theory as just what I’ve pieced together from seeing designers say) that people are incorrectly assuming causation from high rim weight designs having a tendency to vibe. From what I can gather, the cause of vibe is more about alignment of the halves. High rim weight designs mean the body is thinner which is more likely to deflect or bend during machining and create small misalignments.
Physics wise, power is usually talking about rotational moment of inertia which affects how much energy is required to get to or held at a certain angular velocity. You do some calculus with an integral of density with respect to radius to get that value (cad can do it for you). For overhangs, technically having your rims be pure steel means you can have the same mass but concentrated at a slightly higher radius than if you had a steel layer sitting on top of an aluminum layer. In reality, you have to still attach that steel to the aluminum body so you’ll want a large enough interface between the rim and body so that it holds on firmly.
Anyways, yapping over.
I’m not talking about vibe, just wobble from a bad throw. Yoyos with mass concentrated more narrowly are more forgiving.
I was trying to explain the second part without getting too technical, but yeah. Using the word average probably wasn’t correct.
Someone looking to break into the competition scene is never going to have a yoyo perfectly tailored to their needs, though. All they can do is speculate about which option on the market might be best for them in a thread like this.
It is possible they could actually, if they go to a big yoyo club and try out yoyos that fit perfectly for them
‘Huge’ difference?
Outlier+ width is 50mm/1.97 inches
Galaxy Diver width is 49.79mm/1.96 inches
Just curious… where are you getting your information from?
Here is the difference between the 2 yo-yos based on the given specs—->
For perspective… the width of a utility razor blade —->
Interestingly, here is my G-Diver, lol——>
So… Mine is actually closer to 50 than the C3 spec. ?
Obviously, I have no way of knowing what their plus minus range for their specs can be?
Maybe somebody that has both a galaxy diver and an outlier plus can set them side-by-side and take a good image just for perspective.
Please understand that some of the stuff that we are throwing back-and-forth, has no reflection on you as a person or the skills you possess, etc. I am making no attempt to make it look like you know nothing and I know something. My position is more than you seem to be putting more frosting on the outlier plus cake then there needs to . Brandon is a great guy, a great year, has an engaging personality, an excellent sense of humor, a great ambassador for skill toys, and just a down-to-earth, friendly kind of guy. But the outlier plus is neither a magical yo-yo or ground breaking technology. no doubt, it’s specifications are based on his extensive experience on how yo-yo needs to be in order to be the way he wants it to play.
The bottom line is very simple. You found a yo-yo that plays just the way you wanted to play. Others may also coincidentally find it to play just the way they want to play then there are others that will probably not find it to play just the way they wanted to play. The primary objective was for Brandon to get a yo-yo to play exactly the way he wants to play. And if he had achieved that already he wouldn’t be coming out with another model so soon in my opinion.
But then again he loves the adventure of designing yo-yos to come up with that perfect yo-yo that he loves, but that others will love to. There’s absolutely nothing Wrong with that. Go into the YoYoExpert store and click on brands then click on C3. Then scroll through pages of the various yo-yos that they make. Kind of put things in perspective.
I apologize that I may be a part of you seemingly feeling like you have to defend your position. When in essence you were just giving your opinion. It just seems like certain entries you make or worded more like advertisements for how incredible the outlier yo-yo is. I’m sure that’s not your intention, but it just reads that way.
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Well my question is why wouldn’t you want a wide yoyo? My reason for not getting a yoyo wider than 50 is becayse I couldn’t find any wide yoyos that had a outer ring design, which I loved! Even if it were to be outer ring design the doesn’t over hang. Fir comp the only real thing I find personal for someone is weight distribution. Because why wouldn’t you want. Wide yoyo, tech tricks don’t score anymore. And as yoyoung is advancing we need wider yoyos as people explore more bangers and more extreme tricks. How it fits in your hand isn’t really a big deal breaker for me or most compition players (I think) I could be wrong but that’s what I think, no one ever talks about the comfort of the yolk in a description or video of a comp yoyo. An it only stays in your hand for like 2 seconds. Weyher it’s comfortable or not, you will still catch it necause the string will be so tightly connected to your hand you won’t need to catch it in order. For it to stay on your han(I know my engkish is very bad and you probably don’t understand wfh at I mean but yea)
Yeah, sorry, use the wrong words a lot of the times when explaining stuff(my English isn’t very good when it comes to describing things)
That is still referring to the community, and I agree that would be better than a post, but it is less accessible.
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A trick doesn’t need to score for people to want to do it.
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I’m talking about Comp yoyos, for the soul purpose of competing
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Comp yoyos are also for people who don’t compete…
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I’ve been on the fence about the Outlier+ for a bit, and almost pulled the trigger before 3PM EST yesterday.
Now this thread has me researching and realizing for the same price, the Seiji has the premium alloy…
Decisions, decisions.
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I don’t think The 7 series has much more benefits than the 6 serues other than being more durable and slightly faster. Both are superior compitition yoyos. I’d say if the feeling of the yoyo is more important than the width of the yoyo to you, maybe go with the seji. The outlier plus can feel a bit like a brick on the string sometimes. Outlier 0kus is an awesome yoyk of course, now that I’ve ci3to think of it, I think it’s just up to preference, though the outlier plus DEFNITLY makes whips and slacks much easier as it’s much wider. But the seji feels really good when playing and is very fun
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I’d rather have something that feels natural vs a brick that then makes everything else feel weird again once going back.
I think I’ve made my decision, peeps! Thank you!
So, I am using the Seiji from more or less an year now (maybe just a bit less) for me and my play is one of the best yoyo out there, it feels natural and nice in the hand to to throw, is incredibly comfy and you can pull all the competition tricks you want, very balanced and very good spin time, also amazing on rejections and has all the cards for an amazing tech yoyo as well, is a pleasure also to catch the slacks with it, I praise it from when I bought it.
Tbh I have it for sell because I need money but I am still using it (always on the carpet) and is always great, is one of my favourites yoyo ever from the first throw, I can only advice to buy one, Idk why people slept on it, it is just too good.
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Who are you selling it too?