I want to beefcake

So I recently purchased/hunted down a blue/clear light-up “pulse” Duncan FHZ that I plan to half swap and lightly mod. Someone commented that these actually came stock with the sticker area already recessed! I’ll take photos of it once I get it and add them in the comments.

I want to beefcake these! (Putting two bearings in) to make it slightly wider at the gap.

Can anyone tell me the history or knowledge of “BEEFCAKING” and its origins and namesake. Someone out there knows this info of this simple mod and funny name.

also what do I need other than two bearings? I assume slimmer spacer kits. Where can I even get those!

Thanks! Let’s talk about beefcaked yo-yos!

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Just found this:

Shoulda went here first!

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@DocPop invented the mod, as mentioned in the article above, and is active here time to time. He’d probably be the man to talk to!

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if you get into beefcake throws, check out the werrd tfl. it’s presented beautifully, and it is a such a cool yoyo. it comes in a raw and machine grooved finish. good luck!

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Funny you should ask. I was just working on a little video about the history of Beefcake. I hope to get that video finished sometime soon, but I’ll write what I know here just in case that never happens.

I created the Beefcake mod in 1999. At the time, yo-yoing was evolving toward longer spins and less responsive yo-yos. Some yo-yos, like the Henry’s Viper, had an adjustable gap, meaning you could untwist the yo-yo to make the gap wider and the yo-yo less responsive. This was great at first, but we kept wanting wider and wider gaps.

I don’t know the exact size of the original Henry’s bearing, but I think it was under 3mm wide. So even with the gap fully widened and shims added to the sides of the bearing to push it out as far as possible, the gap just wasn’t big enough. If you opened the gap any further, the string would simply slide off the bearing and onto the axle.

Out of desperation, I tried adding a second bearing to the gap, and I was blown away at how well it worked. It still spun as well as usual, but now there was roughly twice as much room for the string. Not only that, but the small gap between the bearings created a sort of groove for the string to sit in, keeping it away from the sides of the yo-yo.

The gap was now wide enough that we could add those thick friction stickers to the inner walls of the yo-yo and still have plenty of gap to explore less responsive tricks.

This was a transitional time in yo-yoing, and the mod was used in production by brands like Spintastics and Pro-Yo to keep existing stock usable by this new wave of unresponsive players. This didn’t last long, though, as newer yo-yos began adopting wider bearings, like the now-standard C bearing size that YoYoJam popularized.

Even after C bearings became standard, some folks kept beefcaking alive for some time. Werrd released a series of beautiful beefcaked yo-yos like the Two Fat Ladies, and @YoYoExpertEric won the 2008 US National Yo-Yo Contest using a beefcaked yo-yo.

The name for the mod came from South Park. In the third episode of the original South Park season, Cartman becomes obsessed with a bodybuilding supplement called “Weight Gain 4000.” As he gains weight (without adding muscle), he repeatedly says the phrase “beefcake.” A lot of yo-yo trick names and memes were inspired by cartoons around this time.

Thanks for asking and have fun with your modded yo-yo.

If anyone can fact check me on that original Viper bearing size (pre-1999) I’d appreciate it. Also, if anyone happens to have a scan of this package (showing the patent-style illustration of the bearing kit) I’d appreciate it.

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I’ve been racking my brain recently because I want to design a new beefcake design. Looking forward to that video!

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A easy mod I’ve had success with is using 2 half spec c bearings (closer to 3/4 width than 1/2 width) in a butterfly xt. Metal freehand caps help with sleep time.

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Same. I’d love to find something really novel to do with Beefcake in a newer yo-yo design. If you explore the concept, I’d love to see what you come up with.

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So far my best idea is beefcaked MR85 to take advantage of the 8mm diameter but push gap width to something like 2.6 - 2.8 mm to reduce the aggressiveness. Maybe wider pads like the silicone brake pads to accommodate the wider gap. :thinking:

If anyone here can help confirm what size bearings were in the original Vipers (pre-1998 AXYS system), I’d appreciate it.

I’m also looking for the art from that old Viper Bearing Replacement kit. So if anyone has that old black and white packaging still around that they could scan or send, I’d appreciate that too.

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Stay groovy!

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Maybe @yoyodoc knows what the bearing size is. I remember he used the rims in mods back when we were much younger yoyoers.

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Close but no cigar on that one Tim. Unfortunately, when I really started modeling, yo-yos, and such… Way back then I think the first viper that I got was already an axis model?

I will still look through some of my oldest stuff but right off hand I can’t remember having a viper that is pre-1998 pre-axis system?

The guy that started making viper in the first place is still around from what I understand. Obviously I don’t think he’s active with skill toys anymore, but he’s still in Germany I think? Sorry I’m doing a lot of thinking here. A lot more thinking and a lot less knowing. But I’m pretty sure the guy still around.

Why is that important? Good question I’ll tell you… If Henry is still around, if anybody knows how to contact him, it’ll be dave Geigle.

If doc pop can touch base with dave I bet there’s a good chance that he will get a message in return with the information on the OG pre-axis bearing size that he seeks.

Of course there, I am optimistically thinking again, lol

I wonder if Bob and Thad up in Chico, have one of the pre-1998/pre-axis, GEN, viper yo-yos on display in the museum? If so, there are still some active yo-yo players up in Chico any day of the year. If any of them sees this, and they have a pair of veneer calipers. And they don’t mind going to the museum and asking nicely… Maybe they will be measuring and acquiring the exact information that Brian is looking for?

My reality based summation is very simple. The information is no doubt readily available. With the exception that you just have to find out who has it readily available, lol.

Here ya go..>

Original Viper Bearing Details

  • Bearing Size: Size D ball bearing [1]
  • Release Year: 1998 (initial release prior to the introduction of the AXYS system in 1999) [1]
  • Design: Featured an anodized aluminum hub with a narrow profile ball bearing axle and O-rings for the “Quicktrick” gap adjustment. [1]

If you are looking to mod, repair, or find replacement parts for a vintage model, let me know if you need help with AXYS system compatibility or gap-tuning techniques.

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Sort of beefcake related concept here if anyone is looking for something novel to try. The idea is to reduce side to side play in the bearings by preloading the outer races of two side by side bearings with a central shim.

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No dust on my tools, lol. I just stay kinda low on my Frankenstein activities, lol.

And since i just officially retired as of August 28th, i plan on having a littler more modding fun.

….With the incredible amount of amazing tech advances in Yoyo construction and performance, I don’t currently envision that I have a single idea on any concept that will impress anybody, lol.

But I will certainly will be fiddling around just like the ‘Old Days’.

Stay tuned​:wink:

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Congrats on the retirement Mo

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Mid 2000’s eat your heart out!

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Congratulations Mr. Chavez…35.5 year service record is almost unheard of these days…Outstanding!!!

My deceased father worked for ATT for 32 years prior to his death, and I inherited all 3 of his (14k Gold) distinguished service rings awarded for every decade of service, as well as his retirement & union ID card, whereas, I plan to sell them on ebay soon as a corporate vintage ring set.

Looking forward to yo’r wild creativity in regard to modding yoyos. Maybe add some Smoke with those mirrors.

SALUTE~

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