Great. I should get a pyro.
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Hey! Iāve got the handquake 1.4 #24 collecting dust, and I figure it would make more sense if it was making some yo-yo collector happy instead of just sitting in my drawer. Iām willing to let it go for way less than the #9 costs
(although mine is without box or papers). I met Chris a few times in 99 to early 2000s which is why I have it, Iām not a thrower personally. Reply or send me a pm if you would be interested!
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I made comparisons with cheap Chinese yoyos!?!?!? think, I didnāt even notice 
you donāt have to suggest anything to meā¦ and I wasnāt referring to the monometal but to the bimetal (now anachronistic and meaningless) sold for $1600. Are the prices in Switzerland for working two basic pieces of metal?.. Excellent! It is confirmation that the time has come to abandon this passion which has now reached absolute levels of ridiculousnessā¦ as you can see I have been doing for many months now.
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Ciao Fabri,
I was wondering if it can be because in Switzerland everything cost a million, I have a friend that live there and a breakfast coffee and cornetto is like 16 euros and in general life is massively expensive (just looking at food you have to be millionaire to survive) but they also take high salaries, wondering if this can be a cause, prices of machine factories are alligned with their market and not the worldwide, still $1600 for a yoyo it make me cringe quite a lot!
The $1600 HQ1 is a one-off piece. This is no run. I donāt see what the problem is.
Itās a collectorās item. If you donāt want it, ignore it then.
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Yeah I dont know why people are hung up on it. Its like people selling the painted peaks for a gazillion. Its a single old yoyo thats a collectors item.
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hi Albertino, how are you?
I also have friends who live in Switzerland, they are husband and wife and they are teachers, yes and they tell me that life has a high cost but not so impossible or distant from what you can see in London or other placesā¦ as you know even in Italy coffee and cappuccino can easily cost ā¬15 if you get it in Piazza San Marco in Venice or in Via del Corso in Rome, but Italy is not thatā¦ and this also applies to Switzerland and its cantons. In general, in this little world of yoyos, for years now I have seen nothing but madness, mainly based on ānostalgia effectsā which probably fill a substantial innovative stagnation, practically non-existent on a substantial level and the thing, in the long run, has made me very nauseated.
I send you a big greeting my friend! 
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no. I donāt ignore anything, and I express my opinion, because I can and want to do so.
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This reminds me of a popular British comedian who once said:
Imagine looking up a teacher of guitar lessons, calling them and saying, āI donāt want your fricking guitar lessons! 
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Couldnt agree more, $1800 USD for a yoyo? I think thats disgusting. Yoyo is becoming a very ostentatious and bourgeoisie hobby in many ways and exorbitant pricing is becoming the norm.
I paid less for a campervan I was able to travel around New Zealand in and sell on once I was done with it.
I could have an overseas holiday for the same cost as this dated yoyo.
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Iām just a plain man.
The person selling the yo-yo will probably do just that.
Iām still getting that Pyro.
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Hey everyone! I hope no one feels like Iām hijacking the thread, but Iād like your advice regarding my hspin yoyo.
So, Iām not into yo-yos, and completely new to your forum, but I got this hspin handquake 1.4 (#24, see picture in previous reply) that really is just collecting dust. Now I know your forum has a lower limit of how many posts I have to write before trying to sell the yo-yo here, which is 100% reasonable. However, I do not feel like I can contribute with 50 replies with any sort of substance, since I really donāt know much about yo-yos hehe, and I donāt want to just write uninteresting things on your forum just so that I then can try to sell the yo-yo. But then again I understand that the yo-yo is this collectorās item (maybe?) that only you guys here would appreciate. Or do you know of some other place where I could try to sell it? If any moderator or anyone else would like to give me some advice here? Worst case it will just sit in the drawer for a few more years before my daughter is old enough to play with it, I suppose! 
Anyway. The yo-yo is located in Sweden for anyone interested. I can ship it of course. Itās without the box though, and has a few small scrathes around the edge (see previous picture, I can provide more of course). I was thinking $500 USD plus shipping (if this is unreasonable let me know). Thanks!
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Youāll get the most value using an auction site like Ebay Worldwide
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Friends,
Thanks for all the encouragement and positive feedback, it is awesome to be back!
@Albertino , @yoyodoc , @mkmavvl , @Upmanyu , @crackout and those I did not mention: Thank you for the frank feedback, also on pricing. I understand your view. We still produce in our home country, Switzerland. Cost of living is high, and as a result, our yoyos will be more expensive than many others. We understand some players will end up not buying one of our yoyos because of the price tag.
We compensate cost with an attempt to be outstanding in terms of quality and customer service. As part of our relaunch, I decided to put an extra emphasis on warranty. If one of our yoyos does not perform as it should, we will fix, replace or work with you to find a solution.
If there is anything we can do for you guys in the meantime, let me know. Whatsapp link is on the webpage. If there is a special re-release or upgrade youād expect, I am very keen on hearing it.
PYRO 4 (Following Pyro, Pyro Light, Pyro III)
G&E 5 (Following G&E, G&E2 Poison, G&E3, G&E4 Black and Silver Lily)
Envy 5 (Following Envy, Envy64, NVx, Beyond Envy).
Cut 2.
Gorylla 2.
Be in touch,
Chris K
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I hope they remake the icon 
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Unfortunately, probably because to many yo-yos are coming out that reviewers canāt keep up.
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Still no reviews for this. Thats strange 
Well, this is more of an overview than a reviewā¦ And that description may even be a little bit off in accuracy as far as what to specifically identify what I would say about the yo-yo.
The first yo-yo that HSPIN āreleased was the Handquakeā¦ it was a small, thin, not organic yoyo with a narrow gap and a small bearing.
Since I was kind of a Yo, modding fanaticā¦ Way back then, I immediately contacted Chris Kayatz, To ask him whatās up with the new yo-yo?
I honestly donāt recall our original conversation, but I guess the gist of it was that he was just coming out with a yo-yo that would fit in your pocket and played pretty well for what it was and he wasnāt trying to crack the code and knock everybody out of their shoes with some high-performance beastmaster. He was just a really smart guy with some really smart friends that didnāt need to have anything to do with yo-yos, but they got together and decided letās make a yo-yo. Thatās really cool. Thatās exactly what they did.
If you wanted a hand quake way back then, you ordered it directly from Switzerland. It took about a week or two to the United States and came in a little box with a sticker on it. No big fanfare no nothing amazingā¦ Just a cool little yo-yo in a nice little box.
Since at the time I was kind of known for getting the stock yo-yos of the day and doing bad things to them so they come out a little better, when I got that first yo-yo from Chris, I honestly didnāt know what to think of it? I mean, I thought it was cool that you could easily fit it in your pocket and then it played OK. But first off I donāt put in my pocket. I honestly donāt like to put anything in my pocket that I donāt have to. I donāt like that lumpy cargo pants, kind of a feel.
So here I am in my little machine shop, trying to cut yo-yos up and move the technology up a notch in the yo-yo world and I get the Swiss made little yo-yo and donāt have much of a clue of how it fits in to the puzzle? But I liked it and I still like it and I still have it. I have both the first two models of the hand quake. Damnā¦ I still have the original boxes, go figure.
Now for anybody that has or doesnāt mind looking up Hspin in a search engine, they obviously came out with quite a number of yo-yos that were pretty much known to be very, very well-made and reasonably good as far as smooth and playing performance. Like any other manufacturer they did have a few models that had some problems. And of course, since bad news travels fast, The few that did tank a little bit on the performance side were the ones that you heard most about.
I remember way back when some of the yo-yos that my yo-yo friends said they actually got a big kick out ofā¦ The cut, the Pyro, the icon, the beysick, etc. Hspin Kept producing yo-yos because the Swiss guys enjoyed it, they wanted to contribute, they wanted to show they werenāt one trick pony, etc. But they never made yo-yos because they needed the money. Matter fact, Chris used to tell me on certain runs they made no money. No money like in no profitā¦. But they wanted to keep in the mix and just roll along and have fun.
Every guy that contributed to the Hspin Experience, was successful at whatever their core skills were, and nobody was hurting for a tuna fish sandwich.
Since most of the Hspin think tank Had several other irons in the fire, they didnāt have the time or the inclination to try to keep up with the Joneses. They just kind of played on their own radio frequency.
As yo-yo players worldwide start getting way better at yo-yo tricks than they were before, the yo-yos needed to have higher performance capabilities to keep up with the amazing tricks and trick combos that were evolving as time moved into the future.
Because other companies were trying to make higher performance yo-yos to make profits because thatās what some companies like to do actually make money for what theyāre doing, those other companies were much more inspired to move yo-yo technology forward than accompany that was run by people that really werenāt profit driven. Some people may not think about that but thatās just a reality. Smart guys with other jobs have fun designing and making yo-yos but never had any plan to take over the retail yo-yo world.
Even though most of the Swiss offerings were at the very least, pretty darn good, they kind of trailed off in comparison to the performance of other companies that were aggressively trying to outdo each other or at the very least trying outdo themselves. The better yo-yos get hopefully the more people want to buy them.
So Chris Kyatz Just kinda faded out and focus more on actually doing what he does best. Having absolutely nothing to do with yo-yos.
Because of the inspiration variations between most for profit value companies and Hspin were completely different, It was somewhat misdirected for some people to downplay the performance of the Swiss yo-yos by comparing them to the competition. I donāt think Chris ever felt like he was competing with anybody. Chris just wanted to have fun and make some yo-yos. But they still had to be pretty cool or why even bother?
So a lot of years passed, Chris, with a little more time on his hands, decided to make a little comeback, If for no other reason to let people know that he never completely faded out, he had just switch gears and decided to come back and have a little more fun.
I havenāt talked to the guy lately, but I am a little puzzled as to why he even called His reentry release a hand quake? It feels nothing like a hand quake. It looks nothing like a hand quake. It plays nothing like a hand quake. Itās a monumental yo-yo. Itās construction is so unlike the original. I donāt have a slightest idea why he just didnāt come up with a different name, so nobody would make a direct comparison that bought the new one and the old one?
To me, itās kind of like Chevrolet discontinuing the Corvette in 2025. And then in 2035 they come out with another car that looks more like a 700 series BMW, and they say this is the new 2035 Corvette. I mean if it doesnāt look anything like a Corvette, why even call it a Corvette? I know itās a name recognition thing. But itās kind of dumb since you should just come out with another name so itāll have a different identity. I donāt know I guess Iām just not a marketing expert?
So here we are with the new Hspin Handquake. A very well-made, very attractive, very comfortable, very narrow, somewhat organic, different weight, distribution, different performance characteristics, all together with the same name as the original.
Andā¦ It comes stock with a flat bearing. A flat bearing on a thin yo-yo with basically straight walls is not the best bet for good performance and good spend time. Donāt get me wrong. Itās a fun yo-yo and it plays pretty well for what it is. But as I said before for me personally I donāt care for yo-yo will fit in my pocket. I donāt put yo-yos in my pocket.
So many high-performance yo-yos today have absolutely no description thatās even close to the description as specifications of a hand quake, that you probably donāt really hear any reviews about it because thereās not that many people that are playing with them at a high performance level. Oh I know Iām sure thereās some guys out there that can get the yo-yo, and throw the heck out of it and make you wanna buy one. But at the same time those same magical people that can do things like that can probably juggle with frozen fish while wearing a blindfold.
Anywayā¦ That is my theory on why youāre not Really seeing any reviews on the Hndquake, Because people are just tearing through combos with hyper performance yo-yos and donāt have the time or inclination to even Bother saying anything about Hndquake, even if they have one.
Within an hour of getting mineā¦ Yes, I ordered two, Iām kind of dumb that wayā¦ I went to my machine shop and Cut a concave bearing for one of them and that really woke it up.
So bottom line is simpleā¦ Itās a nice yo-yo and a fun yo-yo. But it is not a yo-yo you will see anybody using in any yo-yo contest in any category.
Obviously, Chris is still not profit driven or he wouldāve pulled out all the stops with the things. Heās learned over the years and come out with a real monster of a yo-yo.
I would say something like the Cut, But a little Wider And titanium outer weight rings with a D size stock Concave bearing, weighing about 64.5 grams.
I certainly believe if nothing else, the yo-yo I just described would get a lot more attention re-entering the market to let people know that youāre still ready to rock.
PSā¦ I really like Chris. I like his style. I like that he doesnāt have to do anything yo-yo related. I like that he has decided to jump back into yo-yos. Realize, the HQ2 is not the best he can do. It is just the start of what is to come. He has some things planned and they wonāt be shelf queens.
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