Yeap I got that, just mostly pointing out that you probably meant to say wide instead of big, as big usually relates to the size of the yoyo and hence the diameter of the yoyo.
I agree. Although the Assassin is indeed undersized, it’s actually very wide for its size at 41mm (that’s why I didn’t like it) which leads to it not fitting nicely in the pocket. Width is usually more important for pocketability than the diameter of the yoyo.
Ah, that’s because I consider yo-yos under 40mm and above 30mm in diameter to be mini yo-yos, like the Heist (best playing mini ever, change my mind), the Loonie and the Toonie, and all yo-yos less than 30mm in diameter to be micro yo-yos, like the Mighty Flea, the Big Deal (hubstacked Mighty Flea) and the Kun. However, the usual definition for minis usually encompasses all yo-yos under 50mm in diameter.
Ahh gotcha, that makes sense and I misunderstood. No I didn’t mean to say that because I didn’t realize that’s what big means to most people lol. Reason I said big is, I basically meant “I can’t stand having a big bulge in my pants from a yoyo in my pocket” but that’s kinda weird wording that’s just asking for naughty jokes (is that a yoyo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me…) so I just left it at “big yoyos” instead.
I appreciate the knowledge! I like your way of classifying them as mini or micro when they’re smaller, it’s more descriptive than just calling everything “undersized” even if it’s only a few mm smaller than other yoyos.
Gonna start a petition to start referring to large diameter as “tall” instead of “big” so I don’t have to correct the way I say things (kidding of course, I’m not too old for some learnin’)
Ah I see. Looks like I thought wrong and misunderstood you as well.
Thanks! I find it useful to put stuff into categories and then make generalisations about them which is why I came out with all these. It also makes it clear that something like the Toonie shouldn’t really be compared to a Mini Star 2 because they aren’t really playing in the same league.
I think in general, we need more descriptive (or at least more clearly defined) categories for yo-yos to make talking about yo-yos easier, especially so when it comes to shapes (H shape and O shape comes to mind).
I 110% agree. While I have a very clear definition in my kind what H, W, O, V and M are, my definition is different from the definition some other throwers would use, and that in itself is a problem. Sure, I have my definition of what I think is right, but the other people think they’re right and we don’t see eye to eye so that means the terms are too loose, regardless of who’s “right” or not. And let’s be real, it’s all kind of a spectrum anyway: for example, is the Shutter a W, V, or H? Tbh I can see arguments for all three, and it’s one of the most popular yoyos ever so it should be clear what shape it is.
I honestly think yoyo shapes need a big overhaul because it’s really not very useful at the moment. I mean, if everyone took the same definitions as me we’d be golden, but a lot of people use the terms wrong.
(I’m joking BTW, I don’t actually think “I’m right and you’re wrong.” Just bravado to be funny and make a point.)
To add to the conversation in general: Unless the buyer of a yoyo is completely visually impaired I don’t see the need to classify shapes. There are lots of innovative yoyo shapes out there that are not clearly defineable so why bother trying to? I despise the phrase “it is what it is” but a yoyo’s shape is what it is…it can be a little V, a bit of O, a tiny bit H, and a touch organic, etc. If we can see it, we know what the shape is. If we were ordering yoyos from a catalogue that contained only text, strict shape classifications would be necessary but nowadays…
I agree. Quite a few yo-yos have shapes that are a mix of a bunch of shapes.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. When manufacturers can say their clearly O shape yoyo is a H shape somehow, it’s just goes to show how useless shapes are for describing yo-yos in general. Case in point:
I see your point, but the point of using shapes to classify yo-yos is to make talking about yoyos in reviews and comparisons much easier. In such a subjective hobby where the best yoyo is down to the individual’s preferences and there’s pretty much no bad yoyo out there, where even seemingly objective metrics like spin time, power, stability and weight-feel are inherently subjective, yoyos themselves become the objective point of reference (if you have them of course). By classifying yoyo shapes, reviewing and comparison becomes easier in that deciding what is fit for comparison and what isn’t. Like you wouldn’t compare a UPRLD Reduction with the A-RT Inhaler, because they aren’t striving to achieve the same thing. The UPRLD Reduction would probably absolutely trash the A-RT Inhaler in pretty much everything (as in spin time, stability, power, and all those attributes that make a yoyo better for performing yoyo tricks), but you wouldn’t say the Reduction is objectively better than the Inhaler, because they aren’t trying to achieve the same thing and hence cannot be compared. Comparison between yoyos works because the yoyos that are being compared are similar enough to each other that if you know how one plays, you can kinda know how the other one plays based on other’s subjective opinion on the yoyo. Two completely different yoyos will result in a comparison that has little to no value due to the lack of similarity.
Furthermore, yoyo shapes tend to be a generally decent predictor of how a yoyo would play on the string, which would be very helpful in informing your future yoyo purchases as you know what kind of yoyo you would want. Say that you like how the H-shaped iYoYo Firrox plays, and then you’ll likely like most other H-shaped yoyos as well. The same thing goes for the other yoyo shapes. It makes narrowing down your preferences easier and you don’t have to try a lot of different yoyos to know what you actually like. This way you can spend more money on buying yoyos you’ll enjoy and also more time playing with yoyos that you’ll enjoy.
To sum up, I still find that the classification of yoyos by their shapes is still useful and helps in reviewing and comparing different yoyos. It also makes it much easier to narrow down your preferences in yoyos.
(kidding of course, I’m not too old for some learnin’)
