China reopened its' wet markets, how does that make you feel? (Closed)

Well played, Dr. Lecter

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I think this is the easier question actually. Without being cynical, it’s human nature to deal with the problems right in front of us (even the little ones) and put off the ones lurking in the distance (even the big ones). There are lots of other examples, but I’ll refrain from listing so as not to derail the thread.

The reality is that there are lots of other factors magnifying that basic human nature for political and economic gain. :frowning_face:

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Can I just put it out there that I love you guys? I really appreciate that this board is generally insular, but when there’s an Unrelated Discussion it’s generally civil even when people have differing views. Perhaps because throwing is so removed from science, geography, politics, etcetera, I think we have a reasonably diverse group here. I warms my heart that if any of us were to get together, we’d all have a cool thing in common.

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Same here! I know this thing is a touchy and emotional subject for a lot of us—it definitely is for me—but this has been super civil and I’m really appreciative of that.

I misspoke earlier. I meant that it’s the harder one to address. I agree 100% with your assessment. I just don’t know what to do about it to help prevent/mitigate this kind of thing recurring in the future.

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If there was respect given to our ‘food’, so many issues plaguing us today would not exist. Corporate farming has been passed by law to win and gone so far as to have been shutting down farms across the USA for 2 decades I’m aware of. The laws used to raid and shut down smaller/sustainable/ethical farms was to corner the market. It worked. Much like the laws that have allowed Monsanto to take over the corn market and soy. Monsanto is also responsible for millions of farmers world wide committing suicide by promising them ‘magic beans’.

“I’m not a vegetarian because I like animals. I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.” - ?

Greed.

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Oh yeah. Orders of magnitude harder to address.

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Touché.

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But systemic, not just individual (bad) actors. In other words, we have the effects of a coronavirus compounded by another virus, and that virus’ name is capitalism.

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You wrote a very correct thing.
Viruses, whatever they are, are a fragment of DNA or RNA [edit (thanks @French): nucleic acids], covered with a protective membrane of proteins.
Proteins above 40 degrees centigrade begin to denature making any infected meat completely immune, this clearly if well cooked, in the sense that in all its parts it must exceed this minimum temperature for adequate time.

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Just had to google what Pangolin is and damn… If i’m eating that scaly anteater thing you better believe i’m cooking it well done!

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They’re so cute! :heart_eyes:

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i would consider our interpretations of cute to be much like the definition of vibe… subjective.

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I would stand with anyone on this site before a politician. Well, maybe not some of the dead ones, but they’re dead. :rofl: I have zero affiliation other than the truth as I can understand it.

It wasn’t always this way. Eisenhower had a 90% tax rate on the wealthiest in the US. One reason was he believed no one person deserved nor needed to be a billionaire. Others…

Edit:
This video shows the spread potential from cell phone tracking of one small section of beach in FL.

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Yeah looking back, there seems to have been a sense of civil service and responsibility that doesn’t seem to exist at the same levels these days. I think there are some politicians on both sides of the aisles who still display this sense of responsibility and integrity, even if not to the same degree as Eisenhower or Roosevelt, but there are just so many others who are there simply to serve their own interests…

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Yeah. To me, leadership is serving everyone, and by that I mean at least the 90% of people who aren’t overtly crazy :wink:

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Listening to a news report last night, some people (I never heard who) were talking about ‘the bad one’ and that Covid19 was not it. I believe one was the author of World War Z, so I’m not sure how much was being sensationalized, but the group as a whole all thought this was a rehearsal and learning event for ‘the bad one’. This was a 50/50 mix of danger either coming from animals (as Covid 19 is believed to be) but also the danger of a release from a weapons grade bio lab. Accidental or intentional like Anthrax accidentally got out of a lab in the 80’s from inside the USSR.

Makes me feel like we should take a step back and analyze more data from inside Wuhan before opening these markets and also the potential for lab escape. From what these people discussed, from being world wide insiders, the ‘bad one’ is not only presently possible it would have a 25%+ mortality rate minimum. That is what’s possible in labs today and much worse. They were not worried about conventional war any longer.

It now seems the US had knowledge back in November of the outbreak and how China was hiding it. It was serious enough for them to sound the alarm here in several intel reports to multiple agencies. “Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event”.

Some further reading if anyone is bored.

I didn’t know Max Brooks was Mel Brooks kid? But his philosophy of ‘look in the mirror’ for who to blame resonates with me and the old Zen philosophy. ‘Who is holding you back? Just look in the mirror’.

to be fair, the max brooks article is more of an opinion piece where he does not cite actual sources. and the atlantic has a bias tendency in its writing bent. however, there are facts in there.

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Thanks for pointing this out. Additionally, I’m not about to take too seriously a guy whose “expertise” is based on writing novels. I’ll listen to real scientists, doctors, etc., thank you. I’ve enjoyed Max Brooks’s writings, don’t get me wrong, but he’s not an authority on anything real.

I’ve scoffed all along at people highlighting various predictions put forth one way or another over the past few decades about some great pandemic occurring sometime in the future. No ■■■■. It happens periodically, and it’d be foolhardy to think it impossible given the growing population of the world and our increasing interconnectedness. It’s easy to say that “there’s going to be some big disease outbreak someday.”

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It’s good to be prepared, but why are we presuming that the next bad virus is gonna come from Chinese wet markets?

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