A little post about Buying and selling.

[lleraH]

I enjoyed reading this.

[catorameus (JayVee)]

Quick question:
If you can’t take the axle off of the yo-yo and package the yo-yo in a padded envelope, wouldn’t the axle either poke a hole through the packaging or bend/damage the bearing seat while it’s being delivered?

[Amdroid]

Yeah, I would if you packaged it a certain way. There is a guide similar to this on another forum that talks about packaging that I know of. You just have to be really careful, and chances are, if you package it in a good way, things will be safe.

[sabata]

truthfully, i have been one of those people who have backed out at the end. i’ve only done this twice, and for good reason. though, somehow it was to the same person (SORRY BRETT GRIMES)
first time was when i was gonna buy a 54 from him. only to find out i was getting one for Christmas and my mom had spent a lot on getting it. so i felt bad and had to back out.
second time was for the P2 he has up for sale. i was going to get it for my best friend for Christmas, only to find out his older brother had bought one for him the same day i found the post.
i feel horrible afterwards, and always think that i’ll be banned or something. only to find out he was understanding.

[ccn411 (Chris)]

I hope everyone reads and follows this. I sent off my Maverick a couple of days ago and it’s supposed to be at the guy’s house today. I sent it first out of irrational thinking but I hope everybody on this forum follows the honor code!

Thanks Josh for putting this up once again.

[anonyo]

@Jayyo

Hey guys, I know there are already some basic rules stickied, but I feel that this needs to be said.

I have dealt with many different people in these Buy, Sell, Trade deals. and some have come out good, and some have been very very bad.

So I want to list some guidelines that will make sure that you and the other party have a good Buy/Sell/trade.

1:
Offering to buy, or trade on yoyos.
Ok, we all see yoyos in a thread that we really want, and if you got the cash or got something the other party wants to trade, you are in luck.
But please, don’t go and say that you will buy the yoyo, or trade one of your yoyos the other person may want, and then back out after saying you didnt really want it, or don’t have enough cash, especially when the details have already been worked out about payment or addresses.

I hate it when I am selling a yoyo, and I get a PM from somebody saying they will buy it and ask for my address to send cash and everything.
And then they leave me waiting for a while and when I ask what’s up, they say: Oh I decided I cant get it.

Or when I am in the middle of a trade, and we get addresses, and then the other person says at the last minute: Oh I found a better trade deal, sorry.
I had this happen to me once when the yoyo was already packaged up and ready to go.
I was pretty mad.

When you get to the point of exchanging addresses, that should be the complete point, no backing out.
Like on ebay, before you place your bid, they have a screen that you have to agree on you “committing” to buy.
No backing out, you are in a contract.

I also hate, when you say you will buy a yoyo from somebody, and when you are waiting for the payment, the person says: Oh btw, I am only sending you 55 not 60 like you wanted, I didn’t have enough. lol.

That is so wrong words cant even describe it.
The listed price shipped, IS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY.
I don’t care if you don’t have enough, if you don’t have enough, don’t buy it.
If you find out you didn’t have enough after you already committed to buy, its your own problem, get the money.

Another thing, I extremely dislike it when I am selling something, and the person wanting to buy says they will and ask for your paypal, you give it to them, then they say: Thanks, give me a week to get the money, and Ill be in touch, thanks!
No matter how politely you put it, its just rude. Often times the seller needs the money soon, and when you commit to buy with all payment and shipping info, YOU are expected to have the money right then and there. You don’t win something on ebay, then tell the person you will pay them in a week or two.
Please, don’t do this, it just gets on the sellers nerves and makes them want to throw sushi at you or other edible objects.

2:
Sending payment.
With paypal these days, sending money to someone is quite easy, but for some that don’t have paypal, sending cash, check, or money order through the mail is the next best thing.
but a quick note on this.
Do not just stick the payment note into a letter and mail it off.
You may be surprised, but there have been situations where people will steal a letter, look through it in the light, see cash, check, or something like it, and take the money.
How can you prevent this?
One good way is to stick the note into some sort of card, or roll it in a large pice of paper making it appear as a card.
This will ensure safe arrival of payment to the seller.

3:
Sending yoyos.
Padded envelopes are the best thing since canned bread right?
Well…it depends.
When sending a yoyo, don’t just toss the yoyo into the envelope, scotch tape it shut, thwok a stamp on it and laugh with a evil laugh as you loft the package into the mail box.
This is wrong!
When sending a yoyo with a padded envelope, take apart the yoyo, and remove the bearing and axle if you can. Place the parts into a small bag or tape it up.
Take each half of the yoyo and wrap it in 2 layers of paper and tape it.
Wrap a string around the yoyos and place each item carefully into the envelope, add some bubble wrap or more paper for some extra cushioning.
Seal the envelope with something like Packing tape, not just some scotch tape.
Bring the envelope to the post office and have it sent first class if you must.
For those that use stamps, it will end up being cheaper to send first class mail if cheap shipping is what you are going for, but usually, try to get some tracking, or delvery confirmation and insurance.
They are not too expensive and ensure safe arrival.

4:
Its obvious, DONT SCAM.
yeah, its tempting for those scammer types to try to make a fake trade and get a free yoyo, but lets look deeper into this.
Say you scam a nice 888 off some guy.
Whoo hoo, yeah, you are so awesome, you got a “free” 888.
But lets look at what really happens here.

You gained: A free 888, maybe a string, the satisfaction of a job well done.

But you lose: The respect of the community (probably for life), the ability to ever get another yoyo on the forums again, ultimately you can probably never go on any other yoyo forum again, you can’t show your face at any yoyo contest or meeting, you won’t have people to help and support you with your yoyoing, and all in all, yoyoing wont be fun anymore, and you will eventually quit yoyoing, meaning that 888 that you loved so much, that was once loved so much by an honest yoyoer, will end up sitting on a shelf, not getting thrown, gathering dust, as it fades off into the darkness of an eternity of sorrow…

Don’t do it.
I don’t care if you are in a tough time and can’t afford a new yoyo.
Its wrong.
PERIOD

Anyways,
Sorry if I came off as harsh, but I have had some bad deals recently with stuff like this and it makes me quite mad.
And I just want everyone to have successful Buy/Sell/Trade deals.

Hopefully you will all find this helpful, and use it whenever you can, also, send it to new sellers who will probably find this a very good read.

J.

[jhb8426 (Resident Curmudgeon)]

@yousef

@Jayyo

Hey guys, I know there are already some basic rules stickied, but I feel that this needs to be said…

And your point is???

[coldone777]

can i just ask sellers to follow the first and most basic rule? post pics! i cant stress how often i see people say, “email pics on request”. quit being lazy, if your not home, use your phone, i work for a cell phone carrier and out of the 30 or so phones we sell almost every single one of them are capable of uploading pics to an online server. so dont use that as an excuse. im not gonna jump through a bunch of hoops just to find out ur selling a banged up mangled coke can ur trying to pass off as an 888. k im done blowing off steam.

[mottopato]

I’m new to the forum, on yoyoing and this is the first thing I have read and it is comforting to know that someone has taken the time to set ground rules to the hole buy/sell/trade and I agree this should be the standard…I have an extensive collection and have bought a lot of them on ebay with witch I haven’t had much problems and was looking for a new way to B-S-T…this post makes me feel comfortable (if people read and follow!!!) thanks much!!! MOT…

[fellavader]

Had someone back out of a trade with me sent several pm’s back and fourth worked out a deal exchanged address I packed up five yoyo’s he told me he was going to the post office. Then I send him a message to see if he had a chance to ship. He tells me I got a better deal you understand. Lol no not really. I spent the time packing up those yoyo’s to send to you and addressed the box. The only good thing was I hadn’t shipped it yet or then I would have been really upset.

My point is. If you say yes it’s a deal and give your address follow through!!

Thanks and Merry Christmas!!

[Cream9000 (Edmeister)]

The first time I backed out of a Trade was Today against someone on the forums.
I felt bad seeing he actually packaged it up [ I thought he was going to wait till I ship it out first and get it to his door ] So I offered him the SAME Exact throw except Mint.
Hopefully he understood although he did curse at me >.<
I do feel bad so I think I should stop backing out even when I get a better deal.
Truth is I backed out because I wanted to Ship at the same time because Its a nuisance when the guys not in your Country and you havve to wait friggen 5 - 6 weeks just for a package.
So i just went with a more Fast offer who would ship at the same time.
^ The guy up there would be the guy I went with.

[sundrop199]

wanna buy my 44 special 4 30 or trade 4 a plastic

[yoyoavenger]

@Edmeister

The first time I backed out of a Trade was Today against someone on the forums.
I felt bad seeing he actually packaged it up [ I thought he was going to wait till I ship it out first and get it to his door ] So I offered him the SAME Exact throw except Mint.
Hopefully he understood although he did curse at me >.<
I do feel bad so I think I should stop backing out even when I get a better deal.
Truth is I backed out because I wanted to Ship at the same time because Its a nuisance when the guys not in your Country and you havve to wait friggen 5 - 6 weeks just for a package.
So i just went with a more Fast offer who would ship at the same time.
^ The guy up there would be the guy I went with.

I find this a little ironic…

[Yomania21]

Not harsh one bit… Honestly with people today, it’s just good for everyone to get a reminder… Thanks:)

[sirnaq_MN42]

@Jayyo

4:
Its obvious, DONT SCAM.
yeah, its tempting for those scammer types to try to make a fake trade and get a free yoyo, but lets look deeper into this.
Say you scam a nice 888 off some guy.
Whoo hoo, yeah, you are so awesome, you got a “free” 888.
But lets look at what really happens here.

You gained: A free 888, maybe a string, the satisfaction of a job well done.

But you lose: The respect of the community (probably for life), the ability to ever get another yoyo on the forums again, ultimately you can probably never go on any other yoyo forum again, you can’t show your face at any yoyo contest or meeting, you won’t have people to help and support you with your yoyoing, and all in all, yoyoing wont be fun anymore, and you will eventually quit yoyoing, meaning that 888 that you loved so much, that was once loved so much by an honest yoyoer, will end up sitting on a shelf, not getting thrown, gathering dust, as it fades off into the darkness of an eternity of sorrow…

Don’t do it.
I don’t care if you are in a tough time and can’t afford a new yoyo.
Its wrong.
PERIOD

Anyways,
Sorry if I came off as harsh, but I have had some bad deals recently with stuff like this and it makes me quite mad.
And I just want everyone to have successful Buy/Sell/Trade deals.

Hopefully you will all find this helpful, and use it whenever you can, also, send it to new sellers who will probably find this a very good read.

J.

I’ve noticed that there has been an increase in scamming, more people need to see this.

[Gogol]

Thanks for this Jayyo - I hope there will be a lot of people reading this.

Cheers
Gogol

[Joshballer]

I agree with you nice post!

[deagledave]

Isn’t the expression sliced bread? Best thing since sliced bread.