Very nice
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It doesn’t seem like you include yourself in this group.
I still can’t figure out why a “casual thrower” annoys you…. or at least did at one point.
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I hate to break it to ya, but you will be an adult one day too. 
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There needs to be a trick tax. Every time someone posts a yoyo pic they have to post a trick with said yoyo. The more yoyo pics posted, the more tricks needed. Looking at you, @yoyodoc 
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I’m 55 and have not hit adulthood yet. I’m saving it for when I get really, really old.
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I’ll be 68 in June, and it still hasn’t caught up with me yet. Just ask the wife, the grandkids …
We have a sign hanging in our 5th wheel that says “You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever.” I guess I represent that remark.
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Yeah, you’re right. Good point. Perhaps a I should have said “30 and older”. But even when I’m 50 (assuming I still yo-yo) I doubt I’ll be at all part of the group I’m describing.
Tell me about it bud. I’m 21.
Hardly a veteran of the adulthood scene, but a member by most definitions.
I’m old enough to drink, and I work as hard as any of my older citizens, so that’s got to count for something… 
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LOL 21. I have seven grandkids older than you. Not sure how that happened, but it is a fact.
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I think you’ve missed the point.
It’s always going to feel rude to people when you pigeonhole them like that. Is somebody doing that to you?
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I’ve avoided weighing in on this whole throwers who build skills versus collectors topic (I suspect most people on this forum are both) until now, but I can bite my tongue no longer.
I’m surprised that sponsored yoyo players don’t realize throwing shade at yoyo collectors has ramifications beyond dealing with hurt feelings. Take this yoyo for example:
This yoyo was love at first sight for me, but I won’t buy it since it’s associated with someone who has repeatedly diminished the collector’s side of this hobby. Is this what Sengoku sponsors you to do? There are so many great yoyos being constantly released, there is no way I’m going to buy from a company that sponsors a player that talks down to some members of this community.
P.S. - Yoyo sales not only support the people that design, manufacture, and sell yoyos, they also fund the contests in which skilled players compete. Please reconsider how you treat people who like to colect yoyos.
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I do have “evil” as part of my username…
I answered the question about why it’s not popular to watch videos with years of knowledge about this and user experience. I never said I don’t watch them, or focus on tutorial posts that are more useful to me.
At least I’ll be honest to you or others that ask a question.
This is mostly a BST forum with knowledgeable members who share freely. Of course people are going to post nice things, it doesn’t mean they’re doing anything other than happily sharing a favorite they finally found via the settings option when not taking care of other real responsibilities in life.
Posting trick performance is more likely to get negative feedback rather than positive comments for all but top players or performers. That’s the internet, especially as trolls are more likely to seek out and threadcrap on people for what they try and research about them. Whether it’s that they don’t know how to do it or that someone listed a favorite yoyo instead of a butterfly xt…
These threads are philosophical conversation phrased as a simple question. Look at all the views and sheer amount of time that someone spent browsing through this rather than clicking on videos of yoyo tricks.
It’s a lot like talking to my kids under age 7 who don’t listen and continue to ask “Why?” And then wait to get an answer they like better or simply don’t do anything to change the situation.
Much like in life, it is what you make of it and if you don’t like something go out and make it better. Volunteer, donate to save the manatees, help at a local shelter… You’re in charge of making yourself happy and improving the lives of those around you should you choose to do so.
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oh you got skillsssssss. Keep up the great work
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As of right this moment-
What are you throwing thread has 1628 posts
What did you get in the mail has 1331 posts
Thats at least something
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I’m very sorry to hear that! That’s a yo-yo very close to me. I made the art myself. But of course it is entirely your choice.
I would like to add one thing. I have tried to always make sure to say that I love both collecting AND throwing, and have attempted to promote the idea of doing both.
But you’re entirely right, I should have done a better job of specifying that.
I enjoy the discussions I have on the forum with these members. I enjoy hearing the numerous valid points brought up, and have frequently modified my stance based on them. I’m sorry that the discussions I have participated in have left you with a bad taste in your mouth. But to be fair, I understand how this could have happened, especially if you’re not particularly into the throwing aspect yourself.
I say this not to try and recover any sales (I’m sure someone else will buy the yo-yo eventually), but because I really don’t like being on bad terms with people in this community: if there’s anything I can do to make it up to you, let me know.
I understand that my discussion on this topic has pushed it a little far for you, and for that, I apologize.
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It’s illogical to assume that not watching or pressing a heart button on a yoyo video equates to not enjoying throwing yoyos. The presumption also would seem to me to be almost always if not always false. I’d be more likely to err on the side of assuming anyone who thinks spending over $10 on a yoyo is something they want to do actually very much loves playing with them.
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Maybe this anecdote can also put some things into perspective. Its not the same but could explain somethings about collecting.
I don’t see myself as a yoyo collector, but I do see myself as a woodworking hand tool collector. Specifically pre WW2 hand tools and planes and japanese tools. I think they are so neat and interesting! Just holding them in mt hand makes me feel a kind of way. They are usually beat and or rusty and need a little work to get usable. For you see I also use the tools, over the years I have been slowly learning the skills it takes to use them just like the craftsmen of that time. Using only hand tools is extremely difficult and takes a ton of skill and practice. Even sharpening the blade takes a lot of effort and time. If I was using machine tools I could finish a project in the time it takes me to even get a hand tool operating smoothly. But for me, the hobby isn’t about the thing I make. Its about the old tools and learning the skills to use it. It makes me feel so giddy slicing a sharp blade through some wood. The sound and feeling is so unique. For instance, I made this wooden mallet that took me about 2 weeks to make. Its extremely difficult to make a piece of wood straight only using hand tools then adding and gluing another piece to it, both pieces need to be almost perfect. If I was using machine tools I could have finished in 2 hours plus glue drying time. If someone came up to me and said, oh what you can’t even make a rocking chair from scratch?! Watch this and proceeds to make one on a machine … any idiot with 2 hands 1 eye and can use a tape measure can use a machine… but the handtools have history and take real skill to use. Most of the time I don’t have the time or effort to use all of these hand tools I have, but when I do its so - (no word can describe) so most of the time it ends up as me just owning these tools, I don’t need three #4 Stanley planes…
Also recently I found this old Japanese plane called a kanna while cleaning out an apartment. It was wrapped in newspaper and at the very back of a closet. 99.9% of people would have just looked at this and thrown it away. But I could see that it could be special. And come to find out it is! If I were to buy this in America I would be looking at probably $1000. Its about 50 years old and was made by hand. You can see the folds in the steel the blacksmith made. And the shinny part is made of blue steel! Which is highly sought after in japanese hand tools for its ability to get extremely sharp and hold an edge better. In my 35 years of living this is my best find! And with a lot of work it will be an amazing tool, if not to always use (which I will 100% use) but just to own.
Sorry for the long post it might help put some things in perspective about collecting? If not at least I got to talk about something I like haha.
Also it gets jarder to earn new things as we get older!
For me its about the journey, not the outcome…
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I don’t think this is a good way to go about this discussion. Someone criticizing someone else’s viewpoint in a debate is part of having good discussion and does not mean ill intent or that they’re a bad person/have bad character.
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Come to think of it, I’ve seen many collections of people who compete and people who like to make videos, and they’re all way more impressive than my own collection. They must be yoyo collectors.
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In my experience, this was not the case. I got drunk one afternoon and decided to make some yoyo videos with a phone tripod I bought a while back. I shared the few clean clips I made of my solid intermediate tricks and all of the feedback I got was positive. The only reason why I haven’t made more is because life is busy and videos take too much time and effort to fuss over when I just want to throw.
@nightshadow - I get where you are coming from as an ambitious young college student, but you don’t understand the perspective of where us older (30+ in my case) throwers come from. I live my life in the grind. I work 50+ hours a week, have household and bill responsibilities, etc. I have disposable income (flex) and love yoyos, but my life is not dedicated to nor can be focused entirely on my yoyoing. It’s just a hobby for me as im sure that it is for most of us other adults. As you are reading this, I bet that you are already assuming that I don’t want to improve my skills. I honestly want to, but to what end? I won’t ever be competing (no interest) and im not sponsored; I just like to play with yoyos. I don’t need to make money or get fame in my hobby. I just need to play for 20-30 minutes a day and have fun doing it.
Since you like to improve yourself, here is some advice. You are sponsored, so work on that PR. Consider the reasons why your signature model is not already sold out. Your half assed appeal to organic lovers might work for boomer brain mush, but it’s disingenuous and we know you are conceding. If you want to compete you are going to have to suck it up and do the meta crap. This is competition 101 in anything. You got the skills, be a Gentry not a Kieran.
As for the forums, this is more of a photo and conversation medium. Videos usually require external links that interrupt from the flow of viewing a forum. It’s an old platform that has many advantages, but video isn’t one of them. In the old internet days, we didn’t have options so we complained about crap like this. Now, just go somewhere else if you want variety. Sounds like IG is already the place to go for yoyo vids. You aren’t going to convince an entire community to bend to your wants. Same goes to @Theycallmecotton on the last comment.
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