First of all, id like to preface this by admitting im extremely new to the world of yoyos. Ive been having a blast so far, and can see myself enjoying this hobby for years to come.
That being said, id love to get some insight as to what makes organic throws so popular. Admittedly, ive only got experience with a handful orf organic shapes, and by no means do i find them off putting.
But I definitely prefer V and H shaped mono/bimetals. Again, i know my preferences come from a place of inexperience, so im not trying to imply that organics are worse in any way.
Im starting to understand that there are many different factors that contribute to any gjven yoyo being “good”. And just as many different traits that pekple prioritize in a yoyo.
Im just hoping you guys can try to explain what characteristics organics possess that makes them so popular. I dont dislike the ones ive got, but, as a newby, i cant quite see the pro’'s that make organics as sought after as they are.
Again, no shade at all. Different strokes and all that. I LOVE that theres so much variety to cater to all tastes, but id appreciate any input people can offer on the matter.
Happy theowing, and thanka for having me in this wonderful community.
And i absolutely agree with this sentiment. It seems silly to limit yourself to any one category, as there are so many options . And i assume each different style has its own unique feel that will naturally appeal to some people.
Only that organics seem to be a massive hit with so many folks. And it seems to me that the people who like them are those that have been im the scene for a good while and are mlre3 skilled than ill ever be.
Basically i see a lot of love for this shape from those who appear to be veterans, and im sure theres something to that.
Id love to hear why so many people prefer them to other options.
you’re conflating two things that aren’t necessarily linked. you’re seeing a correlation, not a causation. Kyle is right imo that the only real connection between those two factors woyld be nostalgia for older designs
i think you’re selling yourself short. you may be inexperienced, and you may also have the preference you have, but i don’t think you have the preference because of inexperience. for example, i took the opposite path to you. i started off with a ton of organics, like most of my collection was at least kinda organic, and as ive gained experience ive drifted more toward h and v shapes and ive traded/sold many of my organics. i kept some though as some just look and feel amazing!
i would say finally, don’t get too hung up on this “shapes” thing. instead, try to understand that not every yoyo is designed to be the same thing. ppl have many different design goals in mind when creating a yoyo and they aren’t always “how do we increase performance”. performance is solved. they know how to make the physics work. but maybe as Kyle said they feel nostalgic and their design is a nod to past models they’ve loved, or they just have an idea of their ideal yoyo, or whatever. but that leads to there not being a hard line differentiation between shapes. many modern models blend characteristics of different shapes. to this point you’ll even read disagreements over what shape to call something, but in the end you’ll find it doesn’t matter if you call the shape a loopty loop, what will matter is your connection to it when you play (or lack of)
I gravitated towards organics at first because all the v shaped ones I had played would hurt to catch. Part of the problem is I would bind too early, the other Is that the rim/edge design was sharper, and narrower. My first metal yoyo was the magic yoyo y03 hertz. Not a super narrow yoyo, but those rims are more on the sharp side, and in my slightly larger than average hands I noticed that. In hindsight, I would say I binded too early, it’s not the rims fault, but at the same time I didn’t know a ton of tricks. My goal was one trick, then bind. Maybe a couple reps of a repeater like matrix, then bind. Words used to describe yoyos as “comfortable” and “fun” were buzzwords that were selling points to me. I then got a one drop diorama (great yoyo for starting out actually, it become more capable as you grow more capable, lots of power, and higher walls really teach you plane control/management, as well as comfortable rims) and a luftverk 000. The 000 is a good yo-yo, but at the stage of learning I was at where I would only do one trick and return the yoyo, the rims on the 000 were sharp enough to me that a catch would hurt more often than not. Once again, it was edge design paired with my tendency to bind super early. The Luftverk plastic peak which I played months later I enjoyed way more, the rim design is flater or more gentle on the hand.
One final comparison I’ll make to wrap this up is a one drop top deck vs my first yoyo, the MYY y03 hertz. The profile is similar, the y03 is slightly taller, but the top deck is slightly wider, and has flater rims/edges. I would describe both more as v shaped, and their exterior profiles are similar, but the cup is very different. They both play really different due to weight distribution. Top deck has a more center weight distribution, the y03 has a ton of rim weight. I like the top deck more, being naturally more comfortable, and it’s so well made. (I would often have my students at the school I teach at now take apart and put back together their yoyos, and then a one drop so that could feel the difference of a well designed yoyo, almost all would notice the details and lack of anno dust around the bearing post, and how quiet it was, as well is it was snug, verses theirs they sometimes didn’t know when to stop tightening.) But, in spirit of this post I brought out the y03 to play and boy, that ton of weight in the rim makes it powerful, and super capable. Grateful that I was able to have that one at the beginning, it’s not bad at all.
(Note: This is a purely personal opinion regarding organic-shaped yoyos.)
I’ve gained a lot of experience with organic yoyos over the past few years, and what I can say is that—much like how some players prefer flat bearings over concave ones and the like—the choice between organic and angular yoyos comes down to the same thing: it’s largely a matter of personal preference. For me, the most appealing aspects of organic shapes are the “floaty” feel and, obviously, the comfortable grip. But what really stands out to me—and what I want to emphasize—is the “flow,” or rather, the “playing feel.” With organic yoyos, the margin for error on tricks is tighter, which opens the door to new entry points or more original tricks discovered “by accident.” Many talented players developed their unique playing flow precisely because of the limitations of organic yoyos; take Steve Brown, for example—he started out using simple models like the Freehand One and Zero, and today he is one of the most respected players, boasting a highly entertaining repertoire of tricks.
In short, yoyoing is entirely a matter of personal taste—whether it’s collecting, freestyle, style, or brand preference, it all comes down to what you like and whether a specific yoyo suits your daily learning process within the hobby.
I don’t really care for organics that much, but as with any yoyo that isn’t min-maxed for competition, yo-yos are fun and making tricks and learning new things is fun. And most yo-yos tend to feel or play a bit differently, and that can translate to being inspired in different ways when using them.
Similar answer to the rest, but to me- an organic yoyo is a toy that you can push beyond its historically conceived abilities and it just feels more fun when you are able to land tricks/combos on it. With more new age shapes, they are engineered specifically for this, there is a lack of joy FOR ME when using them because it feels more like a tool than a device for fun. Plus if I don’t land a trick with a perfectly tuned competition grade bimetal, then thats the yoyo telling me i suck. and I like to be the one that tells me i suck, not this tool I paid a hundred bucks for.
This is also coming from someone who got into this at a young age and has no interest in being competitive at this stage of life, so take this opinion with several grains of salt.
I’m an enjoyer of all shapes but the reason I like organics is because they feel nice in the hand, on the catch, and on the string. That last one is a big one though. IYKYK
I know well over a dozen binds and not that many tricks overall (maybe 30-40)
when you arent competing or trying to hit long combos then its nice to have some organics as soemthing you can bind and catch comfortably at high rpms
some* tricks are also easier on organics, suck as slackicide, palm grinds, talon grinds, and rejections in general
Regens are also much easier to learn with higher walls
overall its about vareiety and a different feel to v shapes which can be a tad over optimised in some cases
v shapes are great in many ways, but because of the minimised string contact (great for stabilty) the yoyo is also providing less feedback through the string
most people like to swap between organics and yoyos of different shapes, weights and widths, so it doesnt get stale
sometimes you just het bored of the same throw and going back and forth between a competition bimetal and a less performant organic really feels like a breath of freah air (in both directions)
