No, call it the Gladiator, not the Greivous.
That way you can call the Titanium version the Ti-Fighter.
Sorry, just had to say it.
I like Studios idea. Star Wars themes Ti Yoyos=awesome
Ti-Phiter was a titanium yo-yo made by Kyo a few years back.
The yoyo that I was always interested in was the ELF-KUMO! It is also VsNewtonâs rarest yoyo! God Bless - Moefv
Ya wanna see pics?
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No, he will have broken a promise he made to the yoyo community. To me, this is the number one reason why he should not make more Ti-Walkers. Heath realizes this as well which is why he calls it out as the number one most important reason he shouldnât make more in his original post.
Increasing the number of yoyos available, decreases its rarity and thus its value. This is undisputable.
I personally find this comment troubling⌠what youâre saying is that the market justifies breaking old commitments. If this were the case, why should companies honor any promises at all? For example, take product warranties⌠Itâs much cheaper to sell products with a âwarrantyâ and then never follow through with warranty claims when a customer comes asking for support. Would you not find this problematic?
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New players come in all the time. Players leave, exit and otherwise leave the scene all the time.
I entered this thing in May of 2011. Whatever I missed, well hey, my problem. I canât expect a yoyo manufacturer to re-issue stuff to suit me and other new users. If we missed the wave and releases, thatâs OUR problem. How do we "noobsâ fix this? We hit the BST and other retailers and see what we can scrounge up, if weâre lucky enough to do so.
Will I ever get a Ti-Walker? Who knows.
Iâm a bit let down Heath isnât going to re-release these. At the same time, Iâll accept and respect his decision. It also wonât change my positive impression of his company as Iâm super happy with my Sky Walker.
BST is just a few clicks away and patience can be rewarded.
Seen many Ti Walkerâs for sale recently?
Sorry, you canât have one. Collectors will be angry if more are made available. I mean really - Heath PROMISED!
Sounds totally logical - right?
I really donât mean any offense by this⌠(I am just trying to understand your perspective), but it seems you have very different perspectives on the morale value of keeping promises, standing behind oneâs word, maintaining good corporate values, etc.
I appreciate that America tends to be a laissaz-faire, buyer beware, market driven, capitalist economy, but even the most die-hard capitalists would argue that going back on oneâs word or breaking agreements (verbal or written) does not contribute positively to 1) a companyâs corporate image (and thus, long term profits) or 2) the greater benefit of an efficiently run marketplace.
I can recreate pretty much any of the first run anodize colorways for rare CLYWs like the 28s Peaks. But I make it a policy not to do this, because I respect the limited nature of those colorways and I donât think itâs right for me to be messing with CLYWâs limited run totals.
Also⌠why do you feel entitled to access to products which have already been produced and retired? Should Magic the Gathering/Pokemon reprint a bunch of old, valuable, retired cards because yourself and others didnât get a chance to buy them? You missed the TiWalker release, Iâm sorry about that, but thatâs frankly no oneâs fault⌠least of all the yoyo buyers who worked extra, saved money, stayed up late by their computers and in the end supported VsNYYC during that productâs launch.
As I mentioned in the beginning of my response, Iâm not trying to argue and I mean no offense, I am just really having a very difficult time following your logic.
Jason
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Oh snap
Ti Walker has been surpassed by newer Ti throws anyway imo. Ti5 >>>> Ti Walker.
meh, Landon and I swapped @ WYYC. we ended up really digging both of them from both sides and agreed that it was a âtieâ (pun completely intended)
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Double snap and a Head Roll.
Jason, there is certainly no offence taken to your thoughtful posting. Your opinions are respected and appreciated. I also respect that your view of the importance of these custom yoyos is different than mine for good reason. You are an artist with yoyos who creates value that is determined by this âcollectorâ market. Hey, I am one of them. I only wish you would do more 
I also do want to make one thing clear - I did not miss out on the Ti Walker. I was sitting at my computer with my finger ready and managed to secure on of those coveted throws just like the rest (You actually anodized it - along with my Sovereign a few months back!); so my opinion is not motivated by want. My opinion is motivated by the FACT that this is one of the best throws ever made and there are hundreds of people that would gladly pay alot more than $200 to have one. What right do previous collectorâs have to deny new-consumers the equipment that they themselves enjoy so much?
Your position on this âPromiseâ thing is laudable; if we were talking about a commitment to pay for your sonâs college; or a promise to another never to divulge a secret. But we are talking about yoyoâs right? These are not numbered lithographs that have no value other than perceived scarcity - they are probably one of the best yoyos ever made and therefore has utility that is far greater than some âcollectorâ value.
I see no inherent honor in limiting yoyo availability to enhance value. Is VSYC in the BUSINESS of ensuring limited quantities of yoyos? I think they are in business to make yoyos and money. If this is not the case, then my comments are way off. But if it is the case that they are in business to make yoyos and money - what additional responsibility does VSNYC have towards the Ti Walker Consumer beyond providing a good for a service?
And really, if Heath made this PROMISE that was a sacred bond to the consumer - then why does this thread even exist? Obviously VSNYC does not, or did not, share your elevated view of the importance of this vow.
Mutual respect and thoughtful discussion. Thanks YoYoGeezer, this is a refreshing thread!
IMHO, this thread exists because Heath tends to have a very engaged relationship with the yoyo community. He involves the community in his product planning. This thread is here because itâs him thinking out loud.
I guess in the end, this boils down to how âseriousâ one views the original promise. In my view, we are a very small hobby, a niche community really. We donât have lots of contracts or formal agreements. There arenât really any regulatory bodies. The majority of yoyo companies are really just one or two man shops.
In this sort of community, I perceive oneâs public statements, such as posts on YYE, YYN, Facebook, company websites, to be about as formal as it gets. To put it another way, youâre right, thereâs no âlegalâ reason why a TiWalker couldnât be re-released. He wouldnât be breaking any rules. The only reason not to re-release is a moral one and in the end I guess there is just room for interpretation here. In my humble opinion, a promise should be kept. Whether itâs small or large, verbalized or written.
I am comfortable agreeing to disagree and I do think you bring up good points about accessibility to others. Thanks for the intelligent discussion.
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I can certainly agree with that.
Your point is understood a bit more by me due to your discussion on this thread. When I first read your comments, I disagreed much more than I do with you; now that I have come to know your reasoning on this issue.
Thank you for sharing it with me.
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Iâd love to be able to buy a new run TiWalker but feel itâs more important to keep your word. Make an even better Ti throw and everyone should be happy.
Also Heath, Iâd suggest you never say never again when it comes to what VsNYYC will do in the future, and you wonât create any dilemmas like this for yourself again.
A manâs word is his own value. I respect ethics coming before business and profit. We all know he would sell out in minutes if the Ti Walker was re-released, but then what? Why would we trust him the next time when he said a run was limited?
Thank you for not doing a second run. Iâm happy to know Iâll never own a Ti Walker if that means there are more people in this world keeping their word.
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even in the FB thread it was clearly stated as âtesting the watersâ.
this is exactly why i come to the community when i have decisions like this to make.
Jason, donât worry too much about Geezerâs comments. He always seems to be the kvetching point of view on any topic⌠(I kid, I kid ;D )
That being said, He makes perfect sense, I actually agree with him. (See Geezer, I can be nice)
There is a demand for them, Heath should give it some serious thought. All he would have to do is keep them laser etch free. This would mark a clear delineation between the collectorâs series and the playerâs series. If you think a second release would kill the value of the Ti-Walkers already in the market I will just point you at the One Drop Sovereign. The numbered ones still fetch quite a premium over the second release âcommon stockâ. I see BST threads where people specifically ask for a numbered Sovereign, which boggles my mind because the only difference is the number on the yo-yo. If people were really in the know they would ask for one of the rare preproduction Sovs out there, they were 3 grams lighter. Back on topic, the collectors will still ask for numbered Ti-Walkers while the community will just ask for whatever is available, numbered or not.
At the end of the day holding Heath to a promise that probably should not have been made is not fair to Vs. Newton. The release is pretty much guaranteed to sell out which would pump some much needed capital into the business and allow him to come up with some crazy new designs. Something we all want.
As it stands companies need to ask themselves if it makes good business sense to cater to the collectors or to the players.
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