i think the question is: for those who tried both, does one feel “heavier” than the other ?
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Most interesting how my post left you a little puzzled as to what’s the question. After seeing your reply, I reread my post a few times. For whatever reason too much information, obviously caused my reply to appear as a riddle to you.
Fortunately, Abyss seems to have no problem grasping the gist of my dialogue.
Ok… just for you, I will ask a direct question, after setting up that question>
It has been suggested that the Outlier + plays heavy and slow. The Outlier 5 ‘may feel’ lighter and faster in play(as opposed to heavier and slower) because the 5 is 5mm wider, assisting in possibly a slight shift in weight distribution.
So:should, could, would, the Outlier 5 play faster and feel lighter than the +, even though they are still both 56mm in diameter and both weigh 66 grams?
I ‘understand’ that different widths and shifted weight distribution can give the sensation of faster/lighter……slower/heavier, etc.
I have not touched either yo-yo, even for a second. So I am not telling you any final statement based in fact.
I think the best, most credible feedback on the performance characteristics between these 2 yo-yos, would be from people that either own, have owned or have thrown both yo-yos for more than a few minutes.
…… So…. ‘If’ I told you that I had an Outlier + and I found it slow and HEAVY in play. And I looked forward to getting my hands on an Outlier 5, because it probably plays faster and doesn’t feel as heavy(in play). You would be prone to buy into that mindset?
If that is the accepted reality, than that means 2 yo-yos that weigh 66 grams… and are 56mm in diameter….the only obvious difference is one is 5mm wider than the other would result in one playing slow and heavy and the other would play lighter and faster?
Anything is possible ‘I guess’.
I gotta go now. I have to take my horse to the Vet. He seems to be feeling a little Beat.
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betcha learned not to ask him that again 
mk1 exia/brexia
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This 100%
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Can’t find the exia in stock anywhere, I am considering the iceberg and a couple yyfr ones, paper cut and maybe perigrine
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I agree and disagree at the same time. As someone who got the outlier 3 like 3 weeks into yoyoing haha, It was nice that it gave me the confidence that I COULD do these tricks, and wouldn’t then blame it on me having a bad cheap plastic yoyo. It’s moreso a mental thing, but yeah the added spin time and such is nice too. Also I didn’t really have much issues with knocking the rims out… Tho it did happen but popped right back in, but apparently that’s moreso a flaw with the 3 and not really with the plus
Widening the profile means widening the body, and you have to maintain some amount of wall thickness across that stretched profile so some of the 66g prob had to move to the body. On top of that, the switch to 7075 means that stuff with fixed dimensions in the hub eat up more of the 66g target (tho walls elsewhere can be thinned a bit).
So mass has to be shaved from the rims to fill out the wider profile and account for the denser body material.
Brandon claims making straights rims instead of rounded made the difference but I can’t say bc I haven’t tried the round rim outlier 5 proto
Wildless/wilderness 7075
Throwing in my very very biased opinion here. Super interesting to see everyone else’s thoughts on the Outlier+. I love to see how what I put out in the world gets critiqued. Outlier+ was designed to be wide and also manufacturable. Having been burned by Outlier 3, where we chased something extreme at the expense of manufacturability was a nightmare. So Jeff and I made sure the rims had plenty of area to grab on, also that it’d be durable to knocks that happen inevitably when competing. I empathise with some of the ‘boring’ or ‘sluggish’ critiques. But it was a trade I was willing to make to ensure that most customers would get a smooth durable yoyo.
For Outlier 5, we tried to go for it all. Fast, wide and manufacturable. I initially experimented with a 64gram Outlier 5, same weight as Outlier 3, but cranking the diameter just makes the yoyo feel big and hollow. So while the Outlier 5 (Proto) was the same weight as the Outlier 3 it felt weak. I later realised that you need to add weight while increasing diameter, or you run the risk of making it feel light and weak. So Outlier 5, while the same weight as Outlier + feels faster and lighter all things considered.
I’ve also seen a lot of other great throws recommended here. Ultimately, the Outlier+ / Outlier 5 were designed for me. A somewhat talentless but persistent competitive yoyo player that needs a lot of equipment assistance to land his stuff. If that sounds like you I’d recommend these, if not, there are plenty of other brands that can provide you with really top notch stuff!
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Welcome back after 3 years! You should log on more often!
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Yeah I ran into the going heavier on wider/larger diameters to get the correct playstyle as well. It’s a weird proportion thing, especially when you’re so used to shooting for a weight on a 56mm to design by the numbers to get the right balance even though the yoyo is heavier. The outlier 5 definitely plays faster than I thought it would, so great job at achieving that balance.