The Ti-Vayder Experience

[HVizier]

No. In this instance at least 2 people will have thrown it.

Me, and someone from the machine shop.

[Ryanm7277]

It is actually awesome seeing the process and getting an explanation or inside view as to what goes into production of a yo-yo…almost makes it sweeter knowing history and what not

[yofanatic05 (Nathan)]

@yofanatic05

Is there going to be a booth at any contests (specifically WYYC 2019) for this @codinghorror?

I figure with 500 yoyo this might be a good thing to bring for overseas sales, so they wouldn’t have to pay for shipping (Also I’d be there )

[vegabomb (LJ)]

@HVizier

@vegabomb the machine shop did in fact ship completed pre tested yo-yos.

Ahh I had no idea. They must have a player or two on staff then I assume.

[deep-spaced (Andrew)]

Welp, I’m looking forward to next Wednesday.

[Ryanm7277]

So theoretically every yoyo that is produced typically goes through the following?

Machines at machine shop from CAD FILE

put together and tested and deemed a or b grade

Shipped to seller who either then sends to anodize or machine shop has anodized

Then the seller puts them together and checks them and then determines a b grade and then packages and sends to consumer?

Does every company do this?

Thanks
Ryan

[JWaugh (Jacob Waugh)]

I mean, Onedrop might have a different system, but probably.

[jasonwongzero (Anodizer)]

@Xanadu

So moral of the story is that I would encourage people to get into anodizing titanium themselves. It is way more accessible that aluminum and it can be super fun. Plus if you screw up, you can use an etcher (which is caustic) to start over.

This is true. Anodizing titanium is way way easier than aluminum and is achievable with much less material and capital investment. It’s not easy to get super bright colors anodizing titanium though… Niobium is different. It’ll be much brighter and more colorful than standard Ti. I remember when I was first messing around with titanium it took several tries to get certain colors and to get them to pop.

[Skwan (Mike Cheng)]

My jaw dropped seeing you iridescent ti Walker. Is that effect achievable at home. If so, any directions/ online resource to do it would be greatly appreciated.

[jasonwongzero (Anodizer)]

Thanks! That TiWalker is PVD coated which is a commercial/industrial process. It requires expensive, specialized machinery and isn’t possible at home. I had to work with a batch commercial PVD coater to do ~50 yoyos at once and that TiWalker was one of the ones that was done.

I would never advise PVD coating an aluminum yoyo though. About 30% of the aluminum ones that came back came back with vibe, probably because they had to plate the yoyos before the PVD which made them wobble. Some were so bad they’re basically useless.

[vegabomb (LJ)]

@Skwan

My jaw dropped seeing you iridescent ti Walker.

Is there a pic of this @jasonwongzero?

[Skwan (Mike Cheng)]

vsNYYC Ti Walker Holders Thread!

Love seeing that gold and silver YoYogeezer. Here are mine: [image] 32, 37 and 48

Here is the pic I saw, but the 1st post here have one as well. Not sure if it’s same YoYo.

[Xanadu (Alex 🍁)]

Thanks for the input @jasonwongzero! I’d like to add that I don’t want to take away from what you do or your business. But I’m a medical researcher, teacher, creator and inventor - so I am always trying to encourage people to learn new things and be creative. The world could always use more creators and less destroyers.
EDIT - PS: You’re anodizing work is UNREAL!

[jasonwongzero (Anodizer)]

Oh! I didn’t interpret it that way at all! I’d encourage anyone interested to give anodizing Titanium a shot. It’s certainly doable at home, just wanted to be sure people had the right expectations is all! In fact, if you’re thinking about anodizing any metals, I’d suggest you start with Ti and work your way up to Al.

[Xanadu (Alex 🍁)]

Great! I just wanted to make sure you knew that I respect what you do.
– If this doesn’t derail the thread too much, would you mind if I ask from your expertise: When anodizing titanium, is there a risk of altering the balance - i.e. creating vibe? What about etching? My impression would be no, since the oxide layer is very thin but I would love to hear from your experience.

[JWaugh (Jacob Waugh)]

Will we get a video of Jesse Christe doing 90 suicides with the Ti-Vayder?

[vegabomb (LJ)]

Funny I thought about that same thing. When he set the record it didn’t count because the yoyo has to be a minimum run number (100 I think).

[HVizier]

I may be old but I’m pretty sure Jesse set it on a Sky Walker at WYYC for that very reason.

I could be wrong though. I’d be game for that, but Jesse is sponsored by another maker and I don’t think it’ll pan out.

[HVizier]

This wasn’t standard for me. A typical run for me was:

• get CAD cleared for production (my machine shop was super old school and did good work, but often needed guidance which took a bit because I’m not very tech savvy myself).

• go to the shop to test the first full yoyo that comes off the machines to approve the run. Yep. Super old school and a rather unreliable way to truly test the procedure, but I did it (I still have all of those firsts in a display in my room).

• go pickup the run and ship it to the anodizer. Sometimes I’d keep a few raw ones for friends and team.

Then, when they’re back from the anodizer:

• silicone the entirety of the run.

• assemble the yo-yos and start testing and half swapping when necessary to get as many A Grades as possible.

• ship A Grades off to retailers and sell B Grades through BST.

[vegabomb (LJ)]

That’s weird because my memory was it being on the Ti so it wouldn’t count. Maybe he did it on the regular walker after?