SOPA/PIPA and effects on yoyo community, and the greater internet

First off I apologize if this kind of thread is not appropriate for here but I feel that this is highly important. If this topic isn’t appropriate, feel free to remove it, I won’t be offended.

Many of you have heard about SOPA/PIPA, 2 efforts to stop internet piracy and copyright infringement, but to the extreme. In short, this could lead to the death to user-driven sites such as Youtube, and various message boards. How this affects the yoyo community? Well, many do videos showing off their freestyles/tricks set to music. We also post things on boards, write reviews, post photos (though honestly, I don’t see yoyo manufacturers making a sweat about us posting their logos, yoyos, discussing news and photos of prototypes they’ve shared) , quote news from other sources, etc. From my understanding on all of this, SOPA/PIPA could lead us to an end of social sites as we’re free to share photos, text, and videos…copyrighted or not copyrighted.

Many sites in opposition to this effort are actually blacking themselves out (See Google, and while you’re at it, go ahead and sign the petition, let this bill take an epic faceplant!). Many petitions are circulating the web. So with this said, save the yoyo community, save the internet, stop censorship and save America!

You can do your ‘civil duty’ here: https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

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great post, this seems like something that a lot of people have heard of but dont necessarily know about, i could be wrong though. Thanks for posting this it helps get the word out!!

If the goverment goes through with what they think they are going to accomplish, they are going to cause serious problems for themselves first.

Another typical “we don’t know what the problem is nor how to address it”.

Most of the issues pertain to stuff being done over-seas anyways, and while I’ve heard other countries already have similar laws, most of these countries don’t even bother enforcing it as the law was passed more for show than for actual implementation. It’s typically used in communist states just to find yet another way to attempt to control the population and have reigns on what goes in and out. They soon find that was a waste of time and back to “corruption as usual”.

The other fact is that copyright theft costs the industries affected by this to the tune of billions of dollars in loss a year. This piracy is what drives up software costs, CD costs and DVD and bluray costs rise as well. As a backlash, the music industry is suffering from lack of CD sales, and trust me, they aren’t getting much returns on MP3 sales. They get more royalties off a CD, which is odd since a CD costs more to produce, while an MP3, once uploaded to the distribution site and has been digitally protected(whatever, that’s so amazingly simple to get around), costs NOTHING to really “produce”.

One of the key issues is the copyright holder is supposed to pull the trigger, because it is up to those with control/ownership of the copyright to make a decision of good vs. bad. The current bills being thrown about loosen this up, allowing almost anyone to be a whistle blower and cause a cascade effect, which will ultimately cause an already over-worked justice system to grind to a halt.

One of the issues is of course money and royalties. Bottom line is that it’s all about money. Another simple fact is that most people feel that when they BUY music, they feel they own it. Nothing could be further from the truth. They own a LICENSE, and that license has rules and restrictions.

How does this affect the yoyo community? Well, most of the YouTube stuff is, well, needs to be cratered. But, we also have the no ex post facto laws that should protect stuff already produced. Most yoyo contests will come under scrutiny as players find their choices of music severely limited. Just because it’s been done this way for years doesn’t make it right and technically speaking, each track that gets played is owed a royalty. Yeah, here’s a nickel, don’t spend it all in one place, right? Well, maybe a nickel is high, but it depends on contracts and other things. Artists and record companies and copyright holders are NOT enforcing their legal rights because they are deciding that “it’s not worth the hassle to go after this two-bit stuff and it’s going to cost us $10K to get a dollar in returns, so why bother”.

I am also dealing with this in another arena. AMV’s(Anime Music Videos) is another “art form” under attack. People cut anime to music. We’re talking violating mechanicals, sync, copyright, publishing in TWO areas at once: music and video.

This MIGHT affect a show I work on, but the promoter does a lot of CYA and gets full written permissions and proper contracts to ensure he can do his shadowcasts.

The reality is that this won’t stop anything. It will just move over-seas where the laws HERE(United States)cannot be enforced. Oh wait, it mostly already has. What, are we going to prosecute the end users? That’s never worked out good. Go after the big fish? Well, they just swim to “warmer waters” where the “predators” are unable to follow. The industry itself has been self policing and been able to take care of itself better than any government agency could ever do.

We already took a major backwards step with the Patriot Act and it’s impact on the 1st Amendment. How far back are we willing to take? This isn’t about copyright protection really, or even piracy. It’s about money. These are just using “copyright and piracy” as excuses to justify ill thought out legislation. And guess what? It’s already costing YOU, the taxpayers, a million dollars a day for congress to act stupidly anyways. I can guarantee someone is getting a pocket lined with hundred dollar bills from lawyers who need work and are anxious to get unleashed if this can go live.

We don’t need this. What we do need are people to understand licensing and how they can use the music they have access to. As I said, the industry is self policing and has taken decent care of itself for years. Thanks to the internet, piracy is at an all time high though, but operations have largely moved “offshore” where enforcement is difficult.

Just what we need, more bottom-feeding lawyers having a reason to exist. Won’t mommy and daddy be proud that their useless child is no longer chasing ambulances and insurance adjusters to make a living. God bless the almighty dollar!

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Ugh, yeah yeah its bad whatever. I know its bad and why, but people are making a huge freakin deal over this thing. Like you cant even go anywhere now without people freaking out. And now on a yoyo forum?
Its already all over the news, the media, facebook, twitter, websites. Now yoyo forums?
You people, I understand why its bad but seriously. Move on.

J

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If passed, the ramifications will affect nearly everyone. It might as well be spread far and wide.

I’ve done a LOT to fight censorship and piracy in my work in the entertainment industry. While there are problems with the system, the proposed legislation is a waste of tax payer money and will resolve and address nothing.

Move on? No. Sorry. Not going to happen. At least not from me.

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I don’t understand this

within the MP3 cost are the same things than in any recording, musicians, studio, mastering etc… (you seem to know the process), promotional costs etc…

I don’t quite get that thing you guys have going on there, does it really have a chance to get voted? who came up with it?

in france we have this law and they can cut your internet out if you’re caught downloading torrents (I take it they had investments in those megaupload/rapidshare sites, even if they seem to be, they’re really not THAT dumb, they just play dumb and hope to get away with it)

but I’ve never met anyone who actually got caught and his internet cut.

and as for yoyo contest, don’t they already pay the royalties? I know in France there’s an institution that collects a base amount from events and places such as bars or clubs or even shops, malls, everything, basically, then gives it back to the artists (some of it), so I’m pretty sure for french yoyo contest, they had to pay these guys in order to be allowed to play music (I can’t say for sure whether or not they actually paid, if they didn’t they got away with it, but they were supposed to, as far as I know)

but all in all, realistically speaking, can this bill really pass? I don’t think they’ll go that far. Sounds like they “promise” something horrible in order to back down a little later, going for something still restricting, but less, which is textbook manipulation. Get people all worked out for something horrible in order to make them accept something less “horrible” but nonetheless something they wouldn’t have accepted otherwise.

works pretty much everytime as people are easily made angry. these guys are smarter than us, don’t fall in their trap (well, with internet now, it’s so easy for someone with the right knowledge to manipulate masses)

realistically, this thing looks like a political suicide to whoever came up with the idea, I can’t see them actually going through with stuff like that because it’d backfire so hard it won’t even be funny anymore. with the little understanding I have of the issue, I’m tempted to say it’s more of a manipulative process to pass something less restricting, yet still somewhat game changing that wouldn’t have been accepted otherwise.

(just like you buy a car, you start with an incredibly low offer and work your way up as a way to increase the chance of a discount, it does work, there has been tons of studies)

and as I use to state these days, hate is so easy, they would be stupid not to take advantage of how easy people get together and hate on the internet.

A year later Guise! what happened to Google, Yahoo, YoYoExpert, YouTube, et cetera?!

Lamar Smith, congressman from Texas, copyright infringer, and technologically inept, introduced this bill. It is quite hilarious (in the worst possible way) that this bill will force big internet powerhouses to shut down, while not even touching major pirating websites. It’s as if congress to a swing at piracy, but then completely whiffed and hit legitimate businesses on the back swing (anyone up for drawing political cartoons?). I guess that’s what happens when you let the entertainment industry affect your government.

See also: Stop the Online Piracy Act - The Hacker Factor Blog

I signed. I’ve already come across 4 different sopa blackout protest sites. Jonnie’s site for one.

Reddit, english wikipedia, php.net, google (did something >.<), imgur.

Just a few sites.

Even Craigslist is down! Love it!

I can guarantee there are a lot more that joined the blackout than you think.

Seriously, where do you get off telling everyone else to move on? Just because you are apathetic towards this issue, that doesn’t mean that everyone else has to be.

Besides, it isn’t like anybody put a gun to your head and forced you to read this thread or post a reply. If you truly had a problem with what is being discussed in here, you could’ve moved on.

::slight_smile:

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An MP3 is an “end result/alternate master” product. All the same stuff that went into the making of the music isn’t changed. The MP3 is just one more output format. We have often analog masters(30ips 1/4" tape is often the choice), which is then used to cut LP’s in order to produce the LP masters(which is by far the most expensive to produce. You have the acetate, which is then turned into a nickel mother, which is then used to make new negatives, which becomes the master for new pressing discs, press vinyl, very laborious and time consuming and expensive and often destroyed after so many pressings as they don’t last very long), or I forget the format we used for high speed cassette duplication, I think Sony 1380 or something like that, digital masters as files, DAT tapes or other hard formats until CD burning became affordable(which has been since the early 1990’s but it took until like 1997 before it really became acceptable to turn in a CD-R for duplication).

Once a master is delivered, it’s often used to make physical and tangible product: CD, records, tapes, MiniDisc. Something you can hold. Something that has costs associated with it before it’s even “made”. With MP3, you’re simply moving bits over the internet. There’s no physical media, so hence no real costs to the distributors. A CD cost around 3 cents each, silkscreened is around 2 more cents(and just so you know, they are pressed, not burned!!), then add in the case, which in bulk is going to be anywhere from 3 to 15 cents depending on the case style. Insert the printed media, which can range from 10 cents to 50 cents per tray card and/or booklet or insert card, and we’re looking at a product that is going to average around 65 cents and is sold at retail for anywhere from $9 to $16 on average for regular prices.‘’

For the MP3, it depends, but the additional costs are either minimal or non-existant. Sometimes a new mixdown and/or master is done to compensate for the losses that the MP3 format causes. New mixdowns result in new masters. Other times, it’s just running it through a different encoder.

Artists are finding digital distribution is netting them less royalties. Where-as a CD single may get them 5-7 cents(again, depending on contractual terms and there’s many ways a company can skew things to screw an artist), iTunes pays often less than a penny for a digital download.

Looking at the big picture:
MP3 is not a tangible end product and has really no costs associated with it once produced. The costs to make the MP3 itself is trivial in the bigger scope of the project, literally a drop in the bucket.
Physical media has costs associated with making an object you can actually hold in your hands, put on the shelf or whatever.

What I would like to see is a lot of the PTP stuff shut down because there is a lot of illegal sharing done via that technology. The general PTP model is broken and needs some reworking. This will only make a lot of people angry because it will help protect intellectual property better. PTP itself isn’t bad. I have plenty of applications for PTP that would have saved me many hours even if it was just ME trying to get ONE file from ONE person because it allowed me to get complete files despite my compromised internet connection(which will drop for minutes at a time). I know it seems silly to make torrents just for private use, but when I was downloading files for SacHorrorFilmFest, having such torrents would have saved tons of time. I was unable to get one file due to the ftp server constantly choking on it due to the file size AND wouldn’t resume because I was over the file threshold size. I’d like to see better control over digital media licensing, which is evolving and being worked on right now. It too has flaws, but it’s because the whole model is constantly in flux and it’s difficult to predict the direction it wants to go in.

We already have the laws in place that do the jobs that we need it to do. In fact, most countries also have such laws in place already. Enforcement is a whole other thing, but the laws are in place. It lacks the same “teeth” as going after someone with stacks of DVD’s and CD’s, but even though the technology has changed, the laws haven’t and really neither has the crime.

It was bad enough that hard-up lawyers attacked the ADA laws(ADA=Americans with Disabilities Act) to cause all sorts of problems for countless businesses. In some instances, it drove long standing existing profitable businesses out of business. In one case near me, a burger place known for using way too much cheese(I don’t care for their product offerings, but they are very popular) was almost driven out of business, and when the public caught wind of it, they shamed that lawyer out of business, but the damage was done, and the business moved to another location and the client base followed them and they are once again thriving.

I again say let those who are claiming damage start the process of litigation. It’s worked in the past, it’s working fine now. Let Port Authority deal with illegal merch coming in and out of the country via cargo. Let the internet handle itself. If a company is being harmed via piracy via the internet, they can use the existing laws to start the process of addressing the crimes.

I am extremely dissappointed in Lamar Smith. He is a republican. Generally republicans are against larger government power, and they are for lower taxes. But this bill he is creating gives the Democratic ruled government more power, and will cost lots of taxpayer’s dollars.

I am an Independent because of things like this. There are major faults on both sides. (fast and furious is an example of a fault from the dems).

I disagree with this bill. The government is getting so involved into American lives it’s scary. Did you know there is a law that tells us which light bulbs we can and cannot use? They’re saying obamacare will get directly into every person lives too which is just another example of government power. The bill hasn’t been published yet though.

what I don’t get, please explain it to me.

how an american law is going to affect “all the internet”?
I mean facebook, youtube etc… can’t they just move to Russia, Germany or wherever else and call it a day?

one way or another, if these go away, there won’t be a week until something similar comes up from, say china or brasil or wherever, right?

last I’ve checked, internet doesn’t belong to any given country. Obviously it’ll be very bad for USA, but how is it supposed to affect “all the internet”?

Its wrong. I am against piracy, but I feel that organizations like the MPAA and the RIAA who represent the lables and studios already have more than enough power with tools like the DMCA. The language used in these bills is so broad, a site like YoYoSkills could be shut down because I shared a video from YouTube and the video creator did not have rights. Worse yet, if someone thought the video creator might not have rights, the way the SOPA/PIPA language is written, it could still shut me down without federal mandate.

It is a classic shoot first, ask questions later scenario

This is why YoYoSkills is down today.

it’s a bit more complicated than that. Huge internet giants like youtube can’t simply leave. What about smaller sites and blogs? they arn’t going to outsource to another country… It’s a sticky issue

I’m against SOPA and PIPA

Exactly the point I was making before.

The “evil pirates” will just move off-shore where the laws aren’t enforced or don’t exist. Africa, most of Asian(China especially, and don’t BS me about their IP Protect laws, they only use that to filter information TO china, they gladly take foreign money and look the other way). You’re absolutely correct that the “bad guys” will just move their operations where it will be overlooked silently yet probably badmouthed publicly. All for show but no teeth.

ALSO, the internet is made up of mostly privately run networks. Over 99% of the internet is via privately owned and operated high speed data connections and networks. All some people have to do is turn off some interfaces and routing tables and poof: government is cut off. The ISP can say “we’re letting your contract expire and we don’t feel like renewing it and you can’t force us to renew or engage in a contract with you” and they’ll be cut off.

While a LOT of the internet is in the United States, a very significant amount is NOT.

The odds are it won’t pass and even if it does, it won’t be constitutional. Even if it does pass(and I hope it doesn’t), it doesn’t do anything to protect the copyright holders and give them a method of recovering lost royalties, so again, what’s the purpose? Rights holders must enforce their ownership. It works.

Yoyoexpert.com will be gone, nuff said.

Seriously though, do you know what percentage of all youtubers are American? Many sites aren’t big enough to be able to ‘‘move’’, and frankly who wan’ts to?

I changed my skype name to

█████ Username Blocked By U.S Government Under SOPA Act

you and a bunch of other people, so we can no longer tell who is talking. Its not doing anything, its just annoying people honestly.