New releases from Turning Point - The RADIX and MIID-Y!

RADIX:

Turning Point is proud to release their second full Magnesium yoyo - The Radix!

When it comes to yoyos Magnesium is a very interesting material, and not one we see used often due to the difficulty in machining and finishing. When comparing it to the other popular material options - Polycarbonate (the most common plastic used for yoyos) has a specific gravity of about 1.2, 6061 aluminum (also very common for yoyos) has a specific gravity of about 2.7. But Magnesium on the other hand has a specific gravity of about 1.7, which gives it a special feeling that is almost more like plastic than metal.

The Radix weighs in at 66g, but still offers a pleasantly light and fast feeling play with impressive maneuverability and control. And even though it plays somewhat light, it’s not lacking in power in any way. The thick rims of the Radix give it a powerful spin and an ease of acceleration that will effortlessly push through your longest combos.

It features a textured finish that is almost slightly chalky or papery feeling in the hand, a unique tactile feel that ties in perfectly with this unique material so rarely used in yoyo design!

Releasing Saturday, 11/20 @ 8PM EST.


MIID-Y:

New release from Turning Point - The MIID-Y is the signature model for 5A pro Hiroyasu Ishihara!

The MIID-Y is modeled after the TP2, just slightly larger, with an undersized diameter and a wide stepped profile that offers excellent performance in both 1A and 5A. It has a good amount of rim weight to improve stability and spin time, and weighing in at 66g the MIID-Y offers a powerful presence on the string with an excellent level of control in play.

The MIID-Y comes fitted with Turning Point’s new center-lock Ti axle to prevent stripping and ensure a smooth spin, as well as optional side caps to adjust the weight and look of the yoyo.

Online now!

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Just my 2cents but the Radix is a fantastic throw and incredibly smooth. I will say the coating is pretty smooth but still goes through strings. It’s not as bad as a heavy blast but I would watch your strings. Also the coating gets pretty dirty but it easy to clean off with some water.

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Sounds pretty amazing…

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I can’t fathom what advantage magnesium has over 6061 AL in a yoyo. On paper, AL outperforms it. Is it simply the ‘chalky feel’? It’s density is very close to some of the plastics I use. So it seems you pay a lot for an exotic yoyo material with plastic performance. I understand combining it with SS rims, but not as a monometal at this price. Maybe there’s something I’m missing.

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It might just be that simple – a novelty with higher profit margins.

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Why do people spend $100 on tequilla bottles when hand sanitizer does the job as well?

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Maybe not an advantage but it has a very unique feel. It’s different than anything else I own and also plays really well so that’s a bonus. I love supporting creative new projects that push the limits for yoyos!

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Glens’ response is not unique and very easy to understand.

Glen would Never buy a yoyo at that price to start with.

It is easy to discount any possible positive aspects of something ‘he doesn’t understand’.

On paper, 6061 plays better? On paper…………and?

An exotic metal that possibly plays no better than some plastics he cuts up? Who cares?

Doubtful words coming from a guy that makes his own yo-yos. And has good experience understanding that even some woods are harder to deal with than others. Yet, won’t entertain the reality that it not only takes special expensive metal, but top shelf machinery and time consuming machining skills to produce the end product.

The final root costs to produce the final yoyo(even without standard markups) would logically result in a higher price…

Is it fair or reasonable for an actual yoyo maker’ to undermine to possible positives of buying, owning or playing a Magnesium yoyo, by taking the position of a ‘doubting Thomas’, because of an unwillingness to understand the motivations of the Maker and/or the potential of the product.

Kentaro Kimura is a Mastermind of a yoyo designer/maker and player. He has never made a bad yoyo. He does not even need to have others field test his various yoyo models. When he releases a new design, just by nature of it being up for sale, is already proof that it is a very good product, regardless of price point.

To question the integrity of the Radix is to question the Integrity of Kentaro.

Better thinking before speaking leads to better questions…

Kentaro created Turning Point to provide yoyo adventures. To create products that put smiles on faces as you go down the road. No 2 yoyo designs exactly alike, but all sharing a common factor; high performance.

There will always be some of us that can’t pay the price of admission, regardless of the potential performance of a product. Turning Point has addressed this by providing yo-yos at various price points.

For those that can afford new adventures, the options are provided. For those unwilling or unable to ‘bounce’ for the new best thing, there are other options’.

But, the least effective option is doubting the quality and/or price of something you wouldn’t buy in the first place.

PS…. Worth noting>

In 2004, Duncan released the Freehand MG. It retailed for $400 to $450. Came in a wooden box with caps and counterweights, etc. $400…. Almost 18 years ago. Now, here we are 18 years later with a design that can eat the MG for breakfast for $369.

No wooden box……. Who cares, lol…

How many things are better 18 years later, yet cost less?

Funny stuff when you put it in perspective…

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I have actually bought more than one yoyo around the $400 mark and I may again. I understand that there are a whole lot of thoughts, intentions and just plain curiosity in making yoyos out of unusual exotic materials. I suppose this one is not so much as a performance model as it is simply something cool and fun to throw around…That’s fine, the world needs these kinds of yoyos.

It’s just hard to swallow paying titanium prices for something that more or less competes with plastic from a materials standpoint.

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I don’t think Glen was questioning the quality of the yoyo, only the choice of material.

It’s kinda like having a yoyo made of gold. Would I want one? Yes. Would I be willing to pay more than it’s intrinsic value if I could get the same or superior performance from a cheaper aluminum yoyo? Nah, I don’t have the money for novelties like that.

Exotic metal yoyos are cool and novel, but they’re not for everyone. It doesn’t seem to me that Glen was dissing the product itself.

Ivan

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Could you explain the appeal of magnesium? Even their marketing says it plays like plastic. Id rather get a plastic then?

Im sure it plays well but with the hassle of maintenance with keeping the coating intact otherwise you have a bunch of corrosion just makes this seem like a case queen.

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I know it makes a sweet green flash when you shoot it with jacketed 5.56 rounds.

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The appeal of magnesium does not have to be ‘explained’.

Restaurants provide menus because every customer does not necessarily: like, want or desire the same thing to eat or drink. They also provide options at various prices.

Turning Point also provides a revolving menu because people don’t necessarily want to get the exact same thing.

Motivation to be drawn to any particular material/shape/size/weight/etc. is not necessarily based on justification of performance, price or rarity/collectibility.

It’s more about what a person wants with no compelling reason needed.

I would not buy a yoyo just because it is made from Magnesium. At the same time, if I can’t or don’t want to spend the money to buy a Magnesium yoyo, I will not entertain reasons why I should not buy a yoyo ‘because’ it is made from Magnesium.

Simple really…

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If I have the money I can’t just buy a magnesium yo-yo cuz I think it’s unique and different? :grimacing:

Especially nowadays with such a flooded market and so many similar designs that the targeted audience for this has probably already tried/has an abundance of

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Did anyone actually get a Radix? I put in basket as soon as it showed and was checking out bam, unavailable. How many were there like two. No big deal that has happened other times on other sites. Never had a magnesium throw but I love Turning Point so went for it.

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I saw three, when they popped up and snagged one since I was logged in, those flew by in under 2 mins.

And again, @Glenacius_K , if you can spend $400 just for the walls to be thinner, as opposed to just turning your own potential competition screamer for next to nothing (always ignore the tool costs :wink: ) then why not opt for the latter option everytime?

I got an mgska too, and have been using it a few times a week during my sessions, and the coating is no more difficult to “take care of” than a nickel throw, and in any way we all protect the anno of coveted throws by throwing over carpet or keeping the string shorter (those of us who care about condition anyways). It doesn’t cut strings, and it plays like the nicest modded freehand youve tried with sph mod and orings.

You can justify a $400 ti freehand, a $450 ti freehand with side effects and a schmoove (gravity), hell even those $900 sOMETHING apogees, but not a $370 yoyo with a radixally different design and material from a coveted brand?

How do you justify $100 for a wooden fixie when an imperial costs $5?

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:thinking:

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Ok, so imagine you are at a yo-yo meetup and you pull out your old, trusty plastic. Then some random person pulls their best 6061 throw. Then, some other guy pulls out his 7075; while yet-another pulls her titanium and stainless.

Now what? Where can you go? … Magnesium.

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…with outer rings made of pure Unobtanium.

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My 2 cent.
Magnesium is such a rare and noble metal that … every chainsaw machine body produced from the late 60s to today, from hobbyists of the past years (today they are made of plastic) to semi-pro and professional … is made in … magnesium.
It is a metal that requires an external treatment as if left raw it corrodes easily and in contact with the humidity of the air
it is a metal that, due to its specific weight, and its low hardness, limits a lot in the design of a yoyo which cannot have small thicknesses and to obtain a final weight that makes it playable it obliges or to squat shapes (see General-Yo Magnum) or bi-metal construction.
Often the price of magnesium objects is offered at a very high price due to the known problems and dangers in the processing phase (high flammability) … this is true … but relatively, this is a video that demonstrates how even a hobbyist, with hobbyist machinery, you can safely work it without the slightest risk.

As mentioned above, a magnesium yoyo has been produced for almost twenty years … since then how many other models have been made? 6 -7? … there will be a why!!!
For my opinion and for what has been exposed it is one of the least suitable metals to make yoyo … I have never been interested in having one, regardless of the proposed price.

@yoyodoc as for the considerations on Turning Point and Kentaro Kimura, without a shadow of a doubt Kentaro was one of the most representative 3A players, but as for his yoyos, he never stated either the alloys used nor where his yoyos were produced and his proximity to YoyoFactory (he was in their eam before opening his Brand) always made me have some suspicions. I got to play with various yoyos of him, Albino Leviathan, Leviathan, Positron, etc. good yoyos, but nothing that justified their price or made them stand out in any way compared to the then competition … and in fact I don’t even own a product of him.

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