Should always be included. Especially if it is not mentioned. Just part of doing business.
If you want extra for fees, that should be explicitly stated. I find it strange and unnecessary if someone expects a buyer to add 3% for fees if itâs not explicitly stated. Especially since technically you shouldnât even be charging extra for fees in the first place, so expecting it without explicitly stating it doesnât make sense to me.
When I list a price I say $100 shipped, and I expect them to send $100 through G&S and I eat the cost of the fees. I will say it is definitely a nice gesture if someone sends F&F or covers the fees but I will never expect that from a buyer.
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I think simplicity is the best policy. If a seller wants to net $100 on a sale, s/he should post an asking price that covers both shipping and PayPal G&S fees. Sure, $108 or whatever might look silly in a post, but that can avoid miffing a buyer because you post a price of â$100 shipped PayPal G&Sâ but donât make it clear that you also expect them to cover the fee until you get to the PM stage. Put a sticker price that is all-inclusive. Not sure why thatâs such an issue.
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Exactly! I prefer all prices be all costs inclusive, including fees. "Fees included " shouldnât even need to be said. Its not like weâre selling into some hyper competitive market where a 3% price difference is going to price you out of the market. Thatâs a problem for Andre and other yoyo shops, but not on a BST. BTW, no online yoyo shop asks me to add credit card fees.
If I ran a bst, any post which asked the buyer to pay fees would be removed. That would be the rule, live with it or go sell your junk somewhere else. That would help keep the scammers out and transactions would be simpler because I wouldnât have to spend time talking to the seller to find out whatâs expected. I donât always have a lot of time, so if it isnât clear I use G&S and tack 3% on. It annoys me every single time. Shipping is a far more variable expense, but most sellers include shipping in the price, or detail a shipping price. I cannot understand why sellers are OK with this and then have problems including a transaction fee.
Iâve seen too many problems where G&S wasnât used, the buyer comes here upset, the community gets involved, etc. It would be far rarer if the rule was âSeller pays all transaction feesâ, which would happen to match PayPalâs TOS.
Iâve been bitten twice (not here). One was f&f, the seller insisted I only use f&f, and I knew then I should walk immediately. That âmintâ yoyo had been stripped, seller ghosted me when I complained. The second time I did use G&S, seller claimed shipped but no tracking, yoyo never arrived. I waited 60 days and then got my money back. Who knows if he really shipped it? Not my problem. If heâd used paypalâs service on G&S sales that gets you tracked shipping labels automatically, then weâd all know if the package even shipped. G&S only for me.
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Brain games⌠I see no reason to establish Paypal fees as some sort of hinge point. (Example)> âI will sell this yoyo for $⌠but you must pay the feesâ.
âŚYou ever watch track meet? In most of the running events, the runners kneel down and set their feet in blocks pegged to the track. <> Assuring that they start off on the right foot.
âŚThink about it.
Selling a yoyo is also has a process. You start the game and the game hopefully comes to a happy ending for both seller and buyer.
You have a yoyo to sell. You decide how much you want to âclearâ, regardless of fees or shipping.
You paid $150 for the yoyo. You decide you want to sell it to get another yoyo. You decide you want to clear $120. <<< At this point, nobody but you knows the price of the yoyo. So you calculate the (approx) paypal fee; about $3 per hundred. And you calculate Priority/insured for value $12.
So, when you post up. You state selling price is $133/$134 there about.
For sale. Yoyo for $133 shipped.(You decide final exact price. If the price is closer to 100, stay at $3⌠If itâs closer to $200, then bump up the fee accordingly.)
âŚKey point> decide what amount you want after the Smoke clears? Add fees and shipping to the posted priceâ.
Paypal fees are peanuts compared to yoyo prices.
Why throw around âwho pays the feesâ Like it is some kind of deal maker or deal breaker?
I will sell the yoyo for X amount. But you have to Pay for this and Pay for that. PAYPAYPAY!
Establish the complete price, first.
Then, post the Price.
SimpleâŚ
With very few exceptions, always use Goods and Services with Paypal. Worldsâ cheapest Insurance.
Paypal is a money moving service, Worldwide. They are not Non profit. They provide their services for reasonable fees. People that âcheap outâ and try dodging the fees get no Kleenex when deals go South.
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whatâs the over under, in weeks, of when this comes up again?
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Itâs not just G&S fees, but also shipping costs, which will usually be at least twice as much as the G&S fees. Iâm in favor of rolling all of that into the final stated selling price so that the buyer doesnât have to add anything to their payment. But that will make bargain-hunters have to think a little harder about whether or not a particular BST yoyo is actually a bargain.
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Sales baby!
Since it has been established as a subject of interest and concern.
What is the relevance of your question?
Some people donât bother searching for topics previously discussed. They find it easier to just âaskâ.
It is certainly not as screwy as the guys that post, âHey guys⌠I left the yoyo scene 7 years ago. Please tell me everything that has happened while I was gone. Who is the World Champion? What is the Best yoyo out there today? EtcâŚ
You posted right after my post, stating that when somebody asks about Paypal fees, etc. That you just post a link to an article you already wrote on the subject.
Which is exactly what I already did in the post directly above yoursđ¤
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Yeah I sifted thought the BST topic but I didnât actually search "paypalâ as a keyword. should have done that but this thread seems to have shed some light in both directions for people.
well, since it IS so important⌠and what i initially was going to say was⌠combine all the G&S threads, and sticky the DAMN thing to the top of the BST category⌠for it to be ignored
edit: or like i do, bump the g&s discussion post every so often so everybody is aware⌠not wait it out. be proactive, not reactive. who else goes out of their way to recommend g&s? 
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I like the idea of making it official YYE BST policy.
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i agree to this approach - everything upfront⌠i also find it makes any negotiations easier.
but i have a hard time dictating how people sell their items. i think we all know solid people that price a little differently - maybe their sales approach when they âbundleâ may be different⌠and the buyerâs impression will obviously be different. but, thatâs not for me to determine. for myself, how i see it - if folks are honest, not scamming and treating people fairly, people are agreeing⌠following a simple set of rules⌠a smooth running bst can be had
imo though⌠i except differing opinions, i love @d34dj3d
From FSYBlog:
PAYPAL GOODS & SERVICES - Folks that know me know I am a staunch advocate for Paypal G&S. This has not and will not change as we move forward. And, I encourage everyone that uses a BST to do the same.
How people conduct their financial transactions is their business, so there will likely be no formal policy. If you tell me something is $100, I will send you $105 G&S. If you ask me âdo you want this Friends & Family or G&Sâ, I will tell you, âI will never tell anyone to use F&F. I do not conduct business that way, and neither should you.â
You all are my friends, and I trust you enough to use F&F. I understand I get sent F&F as well, and I will NOT rip you, or anyone off, EVER. As a vocal advocate for G&S for both the BUYER and the SELLER, I wanted you to know that I mean no offense⌠though on occasion I may offend 
FS
This post is regularly bumped on FSYB as well⌠simple solution⌠sticky it⌠whatever 
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If you make buyer pay fees Iâm going to judge you for it.
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it pretty much already is, and itâs really not worth enforcing⌠to what end? it will make negotiations less frustrating maybe, but what benefit is it to the mods? and, i donât see it weeding out too many scammers. again, i know plenty of primo folks that bst this way - but i can view it from some buyerâs perception as well⌠besides, if i see that in an ad, i consider that additional room for negotiation anyway
adding more rules⌠requiring g&s, how would that even be enforced, and by whom? we have veterans that arenât following the existing rules⌠@codinghorror had a great point the other day, their are puh-lenty of other bsts, but i think he was thinking about it incorrectly. sure there are others, but this is one of the highest quality. if youâre going to put rules in place, make rules that will contribute to the overall quality of the bst. even the point leveling system, 2, 3, 4⌠itâs essentially meaningless⌠give me a weekend and a stack a bananas, iâll train a monkey to give enough likes to be on the bstâŚ
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Okay, well, then I think in the future any time this question is asked, Iâll just point out that using G&S is âhighly recommendedâ by YYE and leave it at that. If it isnât practical for YYE to take a stronger stance on it than that in their own forums, then thereâs not much point in me taking one here either. 
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Mic drop. 
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iâm not being obstinate.
they can change the rule, but itâs still not enforceable. that agreement is ultimately between the buyer and seller.
itâs a quality and integrity issue.