Just want to chime in real quick and say that @yoyodoc is not “Doc Lucky” Lucky Meisenheimer, whom you linked there. Yoyodoc is Mo Chavez, famous yoyo modder (who also has a respectable collection of 1500+ throws, but nowhere near Lucky lol)
Alright… you guys can go back to arguing now lol 
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Have to be honest, I am not a collector but would be lovely to know the prices of yoyos.
Time ago I wanted an old acid washed purple Yuuksta cause it remember me a good time yoyoing and I got it offered for 300$ which is honestly ridicolous lol, I found other colours online for like 3 times less, same happened with the Code 1 (which I always wanted one from the old days).
At the end I didn’t bought any of those yoyos because everything was extremely confusing, offers where different from person to person, but not different of some dollars, sometimes even 2/300$ difference which is insane.
As said I am not a collector in general, I do prefer to play with yoyos and usually I prefer modern stuff but the little I had to deal with the old market it was a huge confusing headache and then I just left it without buy anything.
I mean we have technology for this. A bot on the yye discord (where all these posts get copied to already) would be easily able to parse out YoYo’s name and price and whatever other details and toss it into a public spreadsheet.
Folks can do whatever they want I guess but we have the data and there plenty of very smart programmers in this community.
My understanding is that the people who remove sale prices do it because otherwise people will still keep reaching out and asking if the yo-yo is still available otherwise. So they’re trying to make it as clear as they can* that the yo-yo is sold.
*With a bit of extra formatting effort it’s pretty simple to keep a BST post clear with what has been sold and what hasn’t and as a result I didn’t run into the above issue when I’ve sold stuff here. That’s more effort though so you go back to path of least resistance where just replacing the price with SOLD is the easiest, clearest solution.
This relies entirely on collectors knowledge and goodwill and honesty of collectors. This also puts knowledge into a mysterious pulled out of thin air state or passed down like tribal stories by mouth which it’s 2024 we can do better…
Can’t find the quote anymore but I also whole heartedly agree yyef not enforcing a validation on yoyo pictures like a time stamp and forum name is wild. I love that we all trust each other but it also only takes one bad egg to spoil an experience.
In my experience it doesn’t matter how you format something in a sales post if someone sees something they want they will attempt contact regardless. Heck I’ve had people reach out to me here about a mail day post asking if I’ll sell a YoYo I literally just got myself. I resort back to original statement “people are silly”
This is actually a huge problem imo. We really need to be able to look up prices.
Prices right now are determined by hearsay, instead of history. It makes the economics of yo-yo BSTs a headache and a wallet ache.
When there’s zero accountability to any prices, it makes things awkward to sell and it makes buyers reluctant.
So throws have to go for dirt cheap. Or they get gauged for “trust me bro” reasons. Instead of reasons defined by the whole market.
I appreciate that it’s more collecter oriented on BST than players, but that appraisal thread isn’t really a seat of authority. It doesn’t seem to work from my obs.
We just need transparency; keeping the prices of sold items up.
These suggestions for additional rules for the BST are going to run into the problem that they would a) be difficult to enforce and b) would require a lot more time and effort from the moderators. Given the BST forum is an at best secondary element of the overall forum (which is also a forum for a store mind you), I doubt this would realistically be feasible in a meaningful way.
As evildipper said earlier, if people are passionate about this then your best bet is likely going to be designing tools that scrapes this info and creates its own database for referencing. Though even with a database of sales, there is going to remain large fluctuations in yo-yo value (at least for the rarer items) so you’ll probably still need to rely on appraisal threads unless you are an avid BSTer keeping up with trends.
Not hard to enforce but requires more than a process change. Either a moderator bot. (Not sure why the forum hasn’t gone this route yet anyway) or a standardized form.
I will say, no one’s asking for what individuals spend to be tracked, just a price of what is sold to be left. So I don’t think what you buy would be traceable unless if you the buyer wanted to let the forum know.
Scraping sounds like a bandaid solution though overall. It would honestly be easier to make the initial post follow a ruleset have a bot that handles said ruleset like how to format a BST post removing those that dont. It could also not let edits be made instead requiring a message sent to the bot to update the listing to sold to avoid confusion.
That being said it really doesn’t seem any more difficult to say these are the formatting rules and how to price.
Like if I had a recess Firecracker.
Recess Firecracker Hypernova - $35
The buyer should know this includes shipping and g&s fees as it is set in the rules.
Then when it becomes sold I update the post
SOLD Recess Firecracker Hypernova - $35 SOLD
Either end or both is clear and doesn’t require removal of price to make clear.
Google already scrapes this site for the search engine and this simple change would make it easier for anyone to more easily find the price of a throw.
I do think resistance to a simple ruleset such as this only seeks to serve preserving mysticism of prices and allowing them to be set at will. Even if you go to appraisal, not assuming the community is like this, but what if collectors want to see the price increase for resale and give a higher value. Since there’s nothing to look back on who can attest against their valuation?
Let’s preserve transparency in the buying and selling of our hobby. Let’s make it easier for people to not get ripped off in dms here or elsewhere. This is a go to place for sales and a lot more can be done here to fix this than elsewhere.
as an aside, i’ve seen the appraisal thread mentioned here a couple times, but does anyone actually get an appraisal for their yoyos? all i see in that thread are posts asking about prices and near-zero responses. so unless they’re getting dm’ed by folks…
Which also shows the appraisal thread doesn’t openly serve the community with transparency
oh whoops, mb.
I only edit out and blur sold yoyos for order and aesthetic purposes on the thread only, so theres no confusion whats not available anymore, and also because its a long tradition and good bst etiquette to keep a thread tidy and updated so potential buyers notice im a serious and friendly seller to do business with. i have no intention to hide or not disclose yoyo pricings especially if it helps sell yoyos faster, which is ultimately what every bst-er wants.
I will share the prices of my original list here and on my bst thread for archival purposes.
Edit: im done reading this thread and i have to say yall are arguing for things that honestly not that serious. Im all for ideas that can make BST easier and safer but pricing history info is only 50 to 70% usable since market prices fluctiations and a little tiny thing called price speculation. I think a couple rules could be established so BSTing can be safer and more accurate for everyone but absolutely nothing beats common sense and a fair sense of what yoyos are valued at. Worst case scenario, no one will buy your old dusty dinged boomer yoyo and you keep it until you adjust the price. Thats it.
That’s getting conspiratorial for no real reason…
In the same way you won’t always get a response if you ask for reviews of a specific yo-yo, you won’t always get a response on an appraisal request. Sometimes people don’t know/aren’t sure and sometimes people just don’t have time to respond with an estimate. Hardly indicative of a lack of transparency.
you’ve lost my vote for yye mod.
on a serious note can we all at least agree the folks that post make me an offer with a massive list of yoyos and one big poorly taken picture suck?
i will always be amazed at people who make it hard on purpose for you to give them your money yes.
I’m just saying that as a point to the end that the suggestions that other places of pricing exist don’t readily provide an acceptable solution.
At the end of the day all I was looking for originally was a working price list, and am inspired to start one given that most likely no action will be taken to make the changes that kawaii laid out so succinctly from other bsts. Even the FB BST abides by alot of those same rules.
It may not even matter for 90% of the throws produced, but for those 10% highly sought after limited runs, we as a community should have some historical price record.
Never got a response asking value on one of mine, and I see what you see. Many unanswered asks.
two 10+ year old delrin yoyo. Delrin Severe, Delrin 2% milk.
seem similar. similar era, similar material. I would assume value similar.
After long research digging through post edit for dozen posts, find out delrin Milk almost always sell for around $100 for years, and delrin severe always sell for $30 for years.
good thing i do not rudely offer severe to trade someone for their $100 yoyo, and leave it up to them to prove to me it not worth $100 (if they want to go through effort of spending the 20 min edit history digging)
price do not fluctuate that much as many of you want to say it do to suit you argurment.
If i list milk for $100 and weak buyer market only give me $70 offers, so be it. I sell or trade for for $70 value. But at least I didnt list it as $30 like delrin severe, or worse try take somebody $200 yoyo for it.
some of you will go through so many mental hoop just to be contrary to keeping list or sold price in bst post is so obviously helpful to everybody; seller, buyer, new yoyo, old yoyo, $30 yoyo, $400 yoyo.
from scam prevention all way to “prices will be innacurate” . you will come up with anything,
to say having easier ability to see last 10 sold Cricial Milk without going on hours quest will in any way will somehow make your milk sale price “inaccurate” that is stupid and you know it.
Innacurate would be me listing for $175 because it almost impossible to find a thread stating otherwise in history of bst.
I own many rare yoyo that many people would pay/trade anything that I ask. I have almost everybody grail yoyo. I want to give them fair offer and deals. Even if somebody want to pay $150 for milk (very rare, and very sought after so it not out of question), i still would not let. because that is not fair. and I did the long research to know that they sell for $100 give or take usually for a decade straight. i just want that research to be easier and quicker.
