to me, a throw is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. it could be $500 retail but if nobody wants to pay that price, then it’s not worth that price. why does it matter if i got $450 or$500 for a particular RSO throw? that’s what the buyer and I agreed on. these aren’t regulated commodities, there’s no oversight committee on yoyo sales. a throw that I sell for $200 could be flipped for $350 the following week because it’s somebody else’s “grail”. had I encountered that person, i could have that extra $$, but i didn’t, so be it.
i don’t feel that i owe anyone anything in terms of any deals i made. whatever price a buyer/seller and I agree on for a particular transaction is our business. whatever deals others make is their business. don’t like the price someone is selling at? don’t buy it. offer a price more in line with what you are comfortable with. if they don’t accept the offer, you move on. simple. if someone comes to me and says someone else is selling this throw for less, i’d tell them to go buy that one. if the one i’m selling had previously sold for less than i’m asking, i would tell you to not buy it then. simple. if a throw is over-priced, it won’t sell. if it’s cheap, it’ll sell quickly.
it’s the free market. buyers will determine what the going price is for any given throw on any given day. a seller can ask for the moon but without someone willing to offer the moon, it isn’t worth anything. i see no point in trying to come up with a data base to use as “the law” when it comes to pricing. everything about this hobby and the value placed on a particular throw is subjective. we can’t even decide on what constitutes “mint in box” for goodness sake. you’ve got people claiming MIB when the yo has clearly been opened, strung up and thrown. what is “good” condition? what is “excellent”? we have no metrics upon which to determine condition or anything else related to these toys, so how would you even begin to determine a “proper” value for a particular throw? something that i consider a minor surface blemish will be determined by someone else to be a major, horrible flaw that makes the throw all but worthless. collectors have different criteria than players do and we are all here on this forum, part of the community of throwers.
i guess what im trying to say is that i do not need a yoyo price history archive to know that a crucial yoyo is gonna be more valuable than a yoyofactory yoyo. you say people go through mental hoops to be contrarians but you are doing the exact same by being incredibly close minded to arguments that dont align exactly to the way you think, and that is fine, thats is how conversations and refinement of the BST practice happen but only when we hear each other out.
On the topic of keeping yoyo prices on BST threads i agree with you. I think its a great idea and i had no issues going back to my thread and editing those back into it for archival purposes. But in my honest opinion i dont think its gonna such a game changing rule in the BST community as you are making it seem like considering that market fluctuations and price speculations exist, even tho those things affect some yoyos more than others, and also considering how in no part of this whole conversation it has been brought up the issue of how condition affects price. The moment a yoyo boomer thinks their dinged and beaten up clyw peak is still worth the same as a mint one then any yoyo price archive is rendered almost useless besides providing a loose baseline.
As i said, i think nothing beats common sense and good bst etiquette. In the worst case scenario the market will react to set prices by the yoyos simply not selling.
Edit: if anyone is trying to use my bst list to help price their yoyos, please ignore the prices on the Onedrops lol. I marked those down hella just to have them move fast, which is another factor that influences prices (the sellers willingness to sell). I guess this is another factor on how price lists can lack accuracy.
go back and read my first post again. i didnt come here to argue. i simply say that keepig list price in post when post closed is useful, and point out it is rule on most other bst, and say my experience.
it was old guy that decide to spend 1.5 hour microanalyzing my message and turn into argumenet with his personal anecdotes to flex some weird “i been here longer and know more about price than you” seniority.
nothing anybody say will change idea that keeping listing price and having mod enforce is good idea to me… it is very simple.
All those messages are oddly violent and weirdly argumentative in nature for someone who then claims this:
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Its not about convincing you, its about giving all opinions a chance and hearing them all out, thats what fosters healthy discussions and promotes positive change.
a solution could actually start with a direct conversation with the community.
I think you’ve effectively told her to get lost, which has derailed the whole topic cos now it’s a bit too emotional.
This is the only online BST I’m apart involved in that has so many people deleting prices, even I started doing it because it feels like it’s an unspoken rule to remove them after something sells.
It also seems very dysfunctional compared to any other BSTs I’m in. And I don’t think it’s lack of funds, or because it’s so niche.
There’s so much reluctance about pricing that would be solved if we could clearly see how much something sold for.
People have talked about the market dictating the price.
Yh absolutely.
But the market can’t define anything if we keep deleting the receipts.
Tbh some of these responses here really sound like people who try to milk what they can from it and it’s no wonder why the simple thought of having to keep sold prices posted is such a a big deal.
I don’t think anyone who actually has the funds would mind paying more for a throw they really want, price history actually helps them decide what is a fair amount more to pay to secure a sale. Yes it also gives a little more power to the negotiating buyer but that leads to a fair market. No one forces you to sell at that buyers researched prices it’s your decision, you can hold out for the person with the funds who wants to give you your asking price.
The way i see it what I buy I never expect to get the value back on it, it’s like putting milage on a vehicle, especially if the throw becomes worn in any way. I buy and the difference if price drops is my rental cost. If it rises well that’s great. I don’t see any reason for any seller to be opposed to price history unless if they plan on collecting to cover retirement funds, in which case you should just invest into your 401k.
For the whatever it’s worth, as someone new to the hobby, the BST can be a very confusing and daunting place. Many of the “descriptions” and photos just leave me confused, trying to parse together what is what, and I legitimately have a hard time figuring out what’s a good deal and what isn’t, so I just keep pouring through listings trying to learn what’s up.
The stacking of acronyms and nick names and disjointed posting and formatting and all that I legitimately don’t know what 3/4 of the listing are actually for lol. I understand tho that this is just a hobby and people are just casually selling and trading. It’s just yo-yo, after all, and making a completely coherent and easy to read post with all details for everyone is not an intuitive process. I haven’t even listed anything for sale so I really don’t know what it’s like on the sellers side yet, but it’s coming lol.
Many yoyos don’t have remotely stable bst prices. I bought a konkikyo hbird for 105, the. A few weeks later one goes for 60. Then months later one moves for 160. You’ll buy a yoyo if you want it bad enough because many of them aren’t in high enough supply to just wait out. And if you did care, you’re pouring over inconsistent sales numbers anyways.
At the end of the day the sellers want to most return and the buyers want the best deal. Thats why prices fluctuate, some models are on the up and up and some models can’t even get 1/2 of their retail value. A third run Peak for $2K on ebay is looking for a particular buyer, and the BSTer who needs some quick cash and is dumping their beat YYF and an old SF might be lucky getting $30 for the lot.
I can say without any reservation and zero hesitation, that I don’t think you said a thing in your life that would take one and a half hours to micro analyze. I think it is somewhat foolhardy and self-defeating by attempting to use me as an excuse to help you climb out of a hole you dug for yourself.
No amount of intelligence can ever take the place of common sense. Stand behind what you say with conviction.
Only when people are desperate, do they resort to playing the blame game.
When you started this mess, I am pretty certain that you thought you were the smartest guy in the room. But sadly, judging by a good number of responses of considerable, reasonable and logical viewpoints, it turns out that there are some other people out there that it may just be a little sharper than you on the subject that you thought you had wired.
I’m not offended by anything you say. But considering I’m the old guy with a weird sense of Seniority, I figured I owed it to you to at least somewhat fit your view of me, regardless how groundless it was.
I don’t buy and sell many yo-yos but the idea of having some kind of reference for fair market value seems like a good idea to serve the community in a positive way. I like @Captrogers idea of a scraper and I also like the idea of us all coming together to really discuss what de-values a chunk of varied materials. A conversation where we hash out what play characteristics and damages really affect the price.
I however get my market pricing from a guy that hangs behind Snapadoodle toy shop by my house. They only sell a few yo-yos inside but he sells a lot out of his coat! He seems really nice and smart and tells me the prices based of other yo-yoers he meets in the alley. Now that I think about it; I have noticed he has a lot of little baggies in there but I don’t think it’s strings or bearings…
