Curious if any serious collectors here have been tracking sales and compiled a list of throw values into a spreadsheet?
Edited title to reflect a better point of this topic.
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We need a Chrono24 for yo-yosā¦
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I am in many many expensive collector hobby. In almost all bst for all other hobby (mechanical keyboard, gundam, anime figure, audiophile, + many more), it is mandatory by bst rule law that you must keep the price listed/sold for every thing you sell on bst, so it can be searched for and cross-referenced in future by other buyers and sellers.
yoyo is the only collector hobby I have ever seen where this is not enforced or established on forum or facebook bst.
@AndreBoulay , this should have been law on forum many years ago. Every time I sell some older yoyo I waste the hours digging through forum hoping to find a listing with the previous price sold for. and many times do not find this, or have to back track through 30+ post edit history to hopefully find a āSOLDā turn into ā$priceā.
With 25+ years of yoyo and thousands of models that exist and being exchanged, it should be law.
Do not delete your listing price to replace it with āSOLDā. I cant believe this is even acceptable in this hobby with how many different yoyo exist today. (do not offer going through 38 bst edits to find sale price as a solution to this)
This forum owners can learn much from the mechanical keyboard subreddit BST with 300,000 members. And there is 100x amount of yoyo variations as there are in $500 mech keyboard. Shouldnt take me an hour+ to find previous sale price of Crucial Milk 2%. Especially since it is somehow okay to delete your bst post after selling ā¦which is UNHEARD OF in other hobby. Put the moderator to work.
r/mechmarket sell rules:
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This. I was noticing this being a habit here, which led to this question. Thank you for laying it all out so thoughtfully. I do not want to dig through edits to find the original asking price. Itād be nice if instead of sold with a deletion of price, the asking price kept marked sold and with a final sale price listed for all of our benefit as a community.
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gonna chime in here a little:)
Iāve seen on one or two somewhat recent FS posts where sold yoyo listings are blurred out text. perhaps a good compromise could be to keep the price in the listing but blur out the text so that the price data isnāt lost, while also still conveying that the items in question are sold. could be a win-win for everyone, however, being newer to forums iām not exactly sure what command to implement to do that lol
this is one of the posts im referencing btw
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Over the yearsā¦ at least a few times, I have questioned why do people post up a yo-yoā¦ then it sellsā¦ and they edit the post by removing the asking price and putting up SOLD.
Letās say the yo-yo originally sold for $150. The seller
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no. no need to overcomplicate. mark as sold, keep price, and move on. do what every collector community on internet does. re inventing wheel with silly feature is waste of everybody time. I donāt know how to blur. I donāt care to learn how either. just do not delete price, and enforce that rule. it is that easy.
side note
With some expensive yoyo editions ranging from $400-$1000 (clyw peak), it is sad disservice to the community that this have become normalize that you can just delete any history of your yoyo being sold and indirectly punish everyone else that want to sell similar item one day. It is lazy on seller part, and even more so lazy on moderation part that this allowed to happen.
buying & selling is 50% driving force of this entire hobby.
this should be priority @AndreBoulay
that is all. thank you for reading.
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I am sorry. i am passionate with this problem. I have vivid fantasy of making a large post about this every time I waste so much time pricing out yoyo to post on this bst., but sometime I worry people will disagree to me just so continue being lazy and selling overprice yoyos (and to hate me). So I have not made this post.
The fact I have to argue with someone and then take 1 hour digging through edit history to prove wrong some idiot who think their beat 09 888 worth $275, just because there is no readily available post history to prove otherwise makes me hate doing business here sometime !!!
we can fix this together !!!
BST revolution!!!
i am done now thank you for reading this posts ! ^-^
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You are the best. Its common sense, unless if the whole point of the collection aspect of the hobby is to buy out a run and be sleezy with throw prices.
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It is odd behavior as most end users choose the path of least effort and thatās more steps to intentionally remove the sale price but whatever. People are odd. I leave it all out there
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absolutely agree with this. again, newer to forums so going through the learning curve. if i ever start selling anything iāll be sure to think by this edicate 
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And just to be clear.
As someone new to the hobby that wants to experience limited runs that were raved about and build a collection of my own. Iām not here to talk people down when I donāt really know. I value it where I choose to see value in it, yes that may decrease or inflate the price if sold. Its determining whatās fair is the difficult part in this hobby because runs are limited quite often and we only have original price to reference (possibly) and these forums (which hardly hold readily accessible record.)
Itās interesting feedback but having sold a couple hundred yoyos over the last 5 years Iāll be the naysayer and disagree with the premise that someone else owes you or others the duty to properly record price history.
Resources exist for you to ask if you donāt know, such as:
- Yoyo Appraisal thread (I believe current one is here: Yoyo Appraisal Thread II)
The vast majority of throws donāt fit into this stated category of yours ($300+) and tracking (while neat and database fun) would not fall on the average user/seller to accomplish this for your benefit for such a small sub-community of collectors.
The demand/market fluctuates per throw in a secondary market all the time but generally at a loss except for those special few (be it specific throws, brands, etc.).
In general Iād say this is not a for-profit hobby and those working to make it such will fail out. I generally sell yoyos, even brand new, for a 30% loss on average as a buy-to-try hobby (yes, even titanium).
Beyond a best practice, thereās no accountability that someone HAS to write what it actually sold for. I can easily imagine individuals mistakenly or purposefully breaking a recording system and create outliers with incorrect sold prices - - theyāre not required to tell you what it actually sold for vs their asking price which is whatās usually in past posts here or on fb marketplace. You can yell at the sky and ārequireā it all you want, but itās not their problem. Nor is it a free forums obligation to solve this for you.
@kawaii.kaede Honestly this sounds personal and if youāre that passionate to solve the problem long-term there are many ways you can educate yourself to go make a resource to track it and scrape/keep it up to date yourself carefully maintaining the data or work with like-minded individuals to record prices across the many forums, reddit, and fb groups that exist.
Even on collectable art or wine forums, thereās zero accountability to record a history of ebay sales, forum sales, etc. beyond self reporting by (sometimes less than) single digit percentage of sellers or a handful of volunteer mods.
Solutions start with an idea and passion to drive it home rather than telling someone else to do it.
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you donāt understand what I said, or read it maybe.
It is rule in most other hobby bst to keep prices to avoid price gouging and to make it easier for everyone to price item fairly without arguments between each other in communityā¦ enforced by moderator. this is not about making money and profiting. this is not about accountability. this is standard across most hobby with object selling for $100-$1000.
I donāt care if yoyo listed for $120, and actually sell for $100. I still want to know if my yoyo worth $30 or $140. Keep listed price. No need to update sale price. anything better than nothing.
I have $5000 in boutique computer keyboard. It take me 3 minute to give you fair accurate price if you want to buy one for me. Equally as rare 1/35 limited piece anodized machined aluminum keyboard. Just like yoyos.
do not talk to me like I am stupid and do not know how buying and selling work. I have 8 clyw peak, and over 200 yoyo - I have never purchased a new yoyo from a store in my life. only second hand from others, and with trades.
why would you make this such a personal attack about benefiting collectorā¦ this benefit everybody. this is a simple rule that is applied in most collector hobbies. if you donāt think it convenient when somebody ask to buy my yoyo I have for trade, and me take 1 minute to see what the last 3 sold (or listed) for then I do not know what to tell youā¦
I feel guilty making up a price when the last listening that not deleted was from 6 year ago, despite 3-4 selling since then but no longer exist on bst. It is unfair to the person i sell to.
disagree on every single thing you say.
this is a simple rule on many commerce bst for boutique product. if 300k community member bst have it why would we not.
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honestly since you want to point finger about self benefit (I have sold only maybe 7-10 yoyo in my life, but purchased/traded for over 100+ second hand)
it sure sound like you enjoy to have price be ambiguous for the ācouple hundred yoyoā you have sold so you can pick what ever price you feel like and not have any push back. the fact you even bother to bring up doing this for profit is suspect. we are all in this for a loss. apparently I am bad person to want to give people fair accurate price for yoyo being sold, or buying. So often in trade I want to make sure I do not rip somebody off or be rude with trade value of old yoyo I offer. I want it to be as fair as possible for everyone. Ask anybody I trade with, if I really want a $120 yoyo I trade them $200 in yoyo to secure dealā¦ but I still want both party to know what thing is worth both way.
& for your future, here is how you search previously sold listing on ebay
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I see your dissent, but it proves the point that it should be a responsibility of a sole forum such as this that move a lot of transactions to at the very least have a rule on asking prices.
I only threw an idea out to list sold and understand how that could be manipulated but could easily be thought through to the logical conclusion if itās true if rules were in place to protect asking prices.
I ran into a seller elsewhere who asked exorbitant prices today, and as a new buyer I turn to the internet to reference prices. I donāt know too many things other than yoyos that you canāt find a recently sold history because this forum handles a lot of transactions and fails to have a rule in place to preserve at the very least an asking value. Its just a disservice to us all. I can find if they were sold on eBay but most hobbyists come here to sell to other hobbyists to maximize value to us who respect the value.
Even you saying you take 30% loss on average on what, a yoyo you bought second hand or new, a yoyo made by a company or an artist, bimetal/aluminum/titanium, limited run or reproduction, did you really want to buy it no matter the cost willing to take a loss? All this factors, I donāt know if you primary sell collections pieces or $6 Duncanās from target, maybe the things you sell arenāt the pieces people really seek.
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Incorrect information is not usable information.
Good for you! 
Never did say you were or judged you. However I stick by my statement you should rather invest your time to go solve this stated issue that exists thatās larger than this ONE forum alone for yourself and others that represent the fractionally small group of people beyond yelling at us (and specifically me) here.
Didnāt make it personal, you did. Weāre all collectors - look at everyoneās posts and sharing what they bought. However yes - this is mostly your issue.
Ditto.
Simple answer, yoyo is not that big of a community - let alone for the $300+ market. Itās a free forum. It doesnāt represent every yoyo group out there, let alone every BST out there. If this doesnāt meet your needs and youāre so livid, please find another way to release the feelings. This isnāt Lego investing sales or something else. You want likes online - post photos of hamsters wearing hats and eating tiny meals. Youāre not going to break that +50 Likes barrier here with a yoyo.
Again, I appreciate your passion. Take that knowledge and experience from your other stated more fruitful hobbies and groups and make something that solves the stated issue.
I can be honest that I donāt care to help you or solve this for you, especially as you took so quickly to lashing out.
Wish you the best in your endeavor.
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Ohā¦ have we gone around the block about this a few times in the last decade+, lol
Here is an easy and fair path>
A person lists 10 yo-yos for sale(or any number for that matter). He gives a brief but accurate description of the yoyo(s) and posts up an asking price and a few pics of each yo-yo. As the yoyo(s) are sold, the seller edits/updates the BST. The seller not only marks the yoyo(s) as SOLD but states the price the each yo-yo sold for.
Any person on this planet Earth, have Zero excuses relating to time they donāt have to spend a few seconds updating their BSTās with useful information that others can at least use as a loose reference for current/or/future values of various yo-yo models.
If they have the time to ādeleteā the prices, then they have the time to leave the prices inā¦ or better yet, say SOLD for $xx.xx
We All have 2 choices in āalmostā any situation: be part of the problem or part of the solution.
Why update with the yo-yo SOLDā¦. And remove the asking price? It can be useful info for others as referenceā¦. Especially for those that may have not seen a BST until the yo-yo they would have gladly purchased and all they see are images and SOLD. And the only thing they end up with is a ā?ā mark?
There is no such thing as too much useful information.
Here is another looney thing thatās possibly even more pointless than deleting sold prices for no logical reason>
A person posts up one or more yo-yos for sale. For this example, I will suggest Monkeyfinger and G2 yo-yos. The seller gives Great details on the yo-yos for sale. Posts up some excellent images. But, just says āMake offersā.
We pretty much All know many models from each Company are going to go for āWell over Retailā. With some of the crazier colorways going for even more crazy prices.
As the seller makes his sales, they update their BST with SOLD>>>> without ever even mentioning a price. Since the sellers usually make more money on the yo-yos than the actual Maker, whatās the big āsecretā about how high āsomebody BOUNCEDā for that Kaleidoscope Loadout or Monkeyfinger Pixel,Helium Halloween Special?
Allowing others to al least have a loose reference to what many yo-yos may cost them, is a painless and thoughtful path sellers can/should follow, if nothing else as a community service in appreciation for others buying their yo-yos.
I have no doubt, for whoever might end up reading this post, that a few of the geniuses as soon as they started to read my oratory, put on their thinking caps and tried to figure out a way to give some sort of abstract explanation to justify not being part of the solution.
So for anybody that wants to make an attempt to say that thereās no substance in what I have stated, please realize that we all start at zero on a number line before we respond to anyoneās post.
From that point as soon as they speak, they must recognize that thereās only two ways to go: To the negative or to the positive.
If your position is contrary to mine and your feelings or that itās more functional and useful and logical And thoughtful and considerate to not allow others to use the prices of sold products for future reference, then you are definitely the only one that believes what you say.
I am truly looking forward to somebody that has such an intelligent illogical answer contrary to my explanation. Sooner or later, somebody has to be smart enough to donate their brain to science. So no doubt since itās not me, Iām definitely looking for volunteers.
Batter up?
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If my significant other looked up how much I spent on yoyos there would be one less member on this forum quite quickly. She listens to a lot of murder podcastsā¦
I also delete sale posts as Iāve had my photos used by scammers on other forums. The fact it deletes what I sold or the price isnāt worth the potential damage to another person In my own opinion. Iām not defending myself but the fact that nobody owes anything to anyone.
As were all allowed those (opinions/choices) and they all matter, oh well.
Iām not new here like some others on this thread and most know (of) me or have bought from me. Itās all good.
Make your own solutions people or let others choose their own reason not to participate without explaining it to the wife or a forum member here.
I am well aware of how long you have been around this forum, lol.
And my position is pretty much āspecificā to āthis forum.
I did not imply that my suggestions should span the BST posts on various sites around the World.
I know a reasonable number of regulars on this forum. And most of them are on āmore of a budget than less of a budgetā.
So asking prices/sold for pricesā¦. Can be very useful for people on this forum.
I did not pull my viewpoint out of the Bible. And I did not suggest that it was directed specifically at the way you operate your BSTās. You have refined protocols based on your extensive experience.
Others donāt operate at your level of experience and may need and appreciate helpful/useful information from others.
Remember, the World doesnāt revolve around us. We all revolve around each other.
I donāt end up with over 1500 yoyos in the last few weeks, lol.
I started buying yoyos around 1997. Iāve done a few deals and actually know a few thing myself.
I understand you practices are based on your experiences.
A lot of these younger folks donāt have a massive amount of experience to draw from. And when you start a 400 yard dash, you donāt start from the 50 yard line. You have to start at the beginning.
If we can help some of these folks that are newer with much less experience to the finish line without them having a trip every 30 yards, I think thatās the least we can do.
Considering I have no budget, you might wonder why I even care?
But I do because I want everybody to have more fun as opposed to less fun. And if people can have price information available to help them get down the road and still afford to buy a cheeseburger, then thatās the path that I think we should take as members of the forum
Nothing more.
I apologize if you felt, I was directing my oratory specifically at you.
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No, I donāt care man - you know that. Also, my answer may be funny but accurate. I really donāt like leaving a trail of how much I spend which is why I donāt post what I got in the mail anymore 
Itās clear youāre new here and have never seen my posts. Yes theyāre timestamped and multiple angle shots. Thereās this thing called digital editing and cropping that allow one to edit photos when you post high-res ones especially to note condition. My pictures, my choice.
Rather than attacking me to try and āwinā - I have been on this forum for a long time and even sold to Doc. I respect and sometimes disagree with him as do others. Heās super awesome and helps people out constantly. YOU, I donāt know you - nor do I care to ever buy from or sell to you.
And yes, if you look at the site rules you are requested to publish photos with those details instead of trying to flame the site owner who is gracious enough to allow us this very wonderful forum. Oh, and people do post with their name/date if you spent enough time to look around.
Please take the negative attitude elsewhere as this is really next level. Typeracer is a great site to get out some speed typing and mellow.
Hereās the same advice I gave directly to the original poster via PM:
- If anyone is ever confused about the price of a throw, ask (e.g. the Appraisal thread). If someone is rushing you to make a trade/sale - itās not worth the risk. Always do Paypal Goods and Services to help minimize risk. There is an existing thread to get quick answers in the appraisal thread or visit the FB yoyoBST forum to ask for reliable answers or help for a second opinionā¦
Or keep yelling at people here but Iāll no longer be paying attention to it.
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