deep state vs. alley cat

Why though? I stated that these were my opinions, not facts.

I jammed the bearing full of grease on the first day.

I use a fat string.

I know how to tune yoyos, and [in context] compared to the Alleycat 650b I find it to hesitate slightly on response. Not unmanageable, but certainly noticeable. One Drop’s “simi responsive” description is pretty spot on IMO.

The DS falls off of stalls frequently; the AC has never once done this for me. As in I’ll stick a stall, and the dead yoyo falls off of the string (think toppling like a coin flipping motion).

I can do stalls with the DS, but they require more of a concentrated effort than with the AC.

I’ve had this problem with similar tug responsive yoyos (Gamer) and other lower walled tug responsive yoyos (Whip, Sage, k1).

My running theory for why these don’t stall quite as well takes three variables into consideration:

  1. bearing diameter/ wall height

  2. length/ thickness of string

  • Both 1. and 2. contribute to the center of gravity/ wall height of the yoyo during a stall. ~During a stall a larger diameter bearing + smaller diameter yoyo with longer (normal length in this context)/ thicker string specs~ the string eats up the workable walls resulting in a top heavy yoyo.
  1. technique

This is why I personally believe that an A size bearing DS would be the bees knees.

This is my honest opinion comparing the two. I like them both just fine, they’re both pretty good. I find the DS to be a little more finicky for stalls and loops.

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Fair, just checkin’ to make sure you crazy lubed the bearing. I find I have to re-grease the bearing a fair bit on the Deep State to keep it ultra-responsive.

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I love reading your descriptions/reviews/comparisons of yoyos. More please!!

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Interesting, I’ve never had a single issue with response on my OG Alleycat’s. They respond identical to my 650b’s, if not a little snappier than the 650.

My DS is packed and setup as responsive as I can get it, and the response still isn’t as snappy as I’d like. And I agree with Chad on the stalls as well.

:point_up_2: Yep, this is what I thought too. The bearing being so large it eats up space on the wall. By the time the string is wrapped it creates a higher point of gravity that makes it want to tip.

As far as the response, I’ve been pretty outspoken that true responsive yoyos should not be using a 19mm pad, it’s just not that great of a response.

That said, I love my DS, I just play it in a different way than I do my Alleycat’s or other responsive yoyos :slight_smile:

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Best comment ever ^_^.

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I didn’t have issues so much as it was just a bit more fiddly to get set up the way I like. My 650b didn’t take as much work. I like them both.

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