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No, no it isnāt.
Are we saying only high walled organics? It has a zero wall but still makes an o
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Bascially parroting what others gave saidā¦ organic designs offer better feedback and plane control over their performance oriented counterparts. Higher walls also make certain tricks like regens and rejections smoother and easier to execute. I also like that they keep my technique in check with their unforgiving nature and can sort of dictate how I play as opposed to a performance design that allow me to just brute force my way through all my tricks.
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Thanks for that everyone. That helps. With motor control issues, I like feedback. Super nimble throws seem to disappear to me and I donāt enjoy them. I have to play slow so Iāve found I like a more solid feeling throw. Iāve been throwing a Pano from a Pay it Forward for several days and it immediately started teaching me lessons. I find that throw to be very easy to slow down. It brings out every flaw on my initial throws as well asā¦wellā¦pretty much everything that puts the yo-yo in the air. So what youāre saying is that all organics have something to teach? Even after a few days with the Pano Iāve improved with my other throws. Some responsives that seemed to pounce in an unruly way are behaving better now. Obviously not the throw but the thrower. I start to understand now. Thanks to all.
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Allot of it is hand feel. Another is control and feedback. High walls are less forgiving which adds some challenge. Idk I can go slower and it feels a bit more satisfying with an organic vs a v or h shape.
Also a high wall organic has a secret. It can easily be made responsive and be a fantastic responsive throw. Doing stalls and such. All yo-yos can be responsive but the high wallās definitely help.
All that said Iām adding stuff to my list some I have already but thank you all for contributing to my necro post 
No, Iām saying that just because something has a curve to it that doesnāt mean itās an organic.
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What makes an organic, organic then bc I thought it was the round shape.
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Sizing also comes into play. Slimmer yo-yos tend to be organic because the shape is more comfortable/forgiving. A 55mm x 40mm V shape can feel like weaponized aluminum haha. There are obviously exceptions to that rule, but designers going for old-school sizing tend to lean on organic shapes.
Back to the original question: Iām obviously biased towards Static, but I genuinely love the yo-yos we make. Many things come in/out of my rotation but the Parlay, sudo, and wave have been my rocks for the last few years. If I want a more full-sized feel Iāll go for a Creep. The Dreamcraft Asora is one of my favorite yo-yos of the last few years. Iād throw the Freshly Dirty VHS on that very short list as well. I also really love Jake Bullockās slim projects. Slim Dunk is an all-time fav, and I just picked up a Slim Rebound. The Slappa is one of the coolest/most fun yo-yos I own.
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Thereās a massive difference between Round shape and Rounded shape.
The Hades in your picture is basically a cross between an H and a V shape but with corners rounded off in all transitions.
Itās not actually round. It just has some rounded edges.
Have a look at that and for example the yoyofactory Kapital. Which is a true round shapeā¦but still with a response bump near the bearing to give it some extra space.
Very different looking throws and shapes.
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Looking at your picturesā¦itās Exactly what you drew as an Hā¦
Just with wider rims
No it doesnāt curve back in like an S at all lol agree to disagree I guess.
Itās okay hades is one of those that sits a bit outside of my budget anyway lol
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I would agree that the Hades is not organic. Definitely a V-H hybrid.
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Looking at the hades makes it pretty clear to me
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To me this is an organc v. I argue that traditional organic has some kind of visible vertical wall from the pad up where this is more of a v from the pad up and then rounds off at the rims .i do see a slight response bump line there to, and this reminds me of where h shapes come from mostly, but its not exaggerated enough in my opinion to be an h.
Also, using the recess little leage as an example, that is what i call an organic h, because the response area is pronounced but still the wall is nearly vertical and rounds up to the rim.
The most classic organic shapes have no or very little response bumps to me.
Anyway, my two cents as an old out of touch guy, lol.
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Hoping to provide some clarity:
I think when most people use the term āorganicā, it refers mainly to O or Butterfly shaped yoyos. Itās kinda like when people say āstring tensionā when theyāre really talking about string torsion.
Iām of the opinion āorganicā should mean anything with an organically shaped catch zone regardless of the overall shape but thatās not how the majority interprets it.
Hades looks organic to me. It probably wouldnāt be considered organic by the majority of yoyo-enthusiasts.
We really do love arguing semantics here 
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