I wasn’t allowed cellphone until 19 years old (during iPhone and social media Instagram era). if you fail as parent that is on you, nobody else @Sven
I think that depends on where you live.
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I want to say something here: The YoYoExpert Forum is the first wholesome, good place I ever found, since I had access to the internet in 2005ish. Everything else, Social Media and stuff was always a downer. YYE is an Upper! I, for the first time feel better after interacting online.
I don’t know, if its YoYo peeps or me changing, but since I’ve started a few days ago, everyone here was great and I already posted a lot of stupid questions and stuff.
You people rock!
And anybody who will look at this will never conclude, that it should be banned. Let’s not kid ourselves: It is obvious which sites will be banned.
This here. This here is gold. And I am grateful for it.
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True to some extend. On the other hand, if you look back in history there are many examples of people rising in hard conditions to change their governance in harsh ways. Which, of course, I don’t wish upon anybody. Hopefully the change you need can be accomplished with soft means.
Yes, as far as parents have the capacity or capability to do so. And I hope that you are or will become a working parent, who has that. And if not, I wish you a government who actually acts up to help you.
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Are you aware that this lady was arrested for planning an illegal spreader event during the pandemic? She was not arrested for posting. She was arrested for premeditating a crime. That was always illegal. If you plan a criminal act outside of the internet and the cops find out you will be arrested just the same.
And yes Meta does not arrest you. It just brainwashes people through their content stream to change elections to the will of their allies.
And the military dictatorship of china is as communist as uncle Sam. Everywhere you look in China you see corporate greed and cost cutting, see people compete even down to the food on the plate of their own familymember. And the biggest company is Xi - Winnie the Poo himself.
But I would love to here your story in a PM and I am always open to be educated.
Edit: @kawaii.kaede I am sorry. That’s not the tone I want to leave this with. Just above I raved about what a great and loving place the YYE forum is and now I spread animosity myself. I don’t want that. I stand by what I’ve said, but how about we find our common ground? I know that you see government as hitler himself and I see government as a swedish picnic. How could we find a good place for both of us?
Those soft means appear to be more and more in jeopardy in the developed West. Now does not feel like the best time to be handing more power over to government.
If you talk USA = I fully agree.
I can do that myself. You know who can’t be trusted. Other parents of kids who give them a tablet or cell phone unrestricted. I can’t be ontop of my kid 24/7 they will go to school and be exposed to stuff. Heck my son has no way to see skibidi toilet yet knows of it cause a kid in class in his kindergarten has a cellphone….
I complained to the teacher but still my biggest enemy are the kids with bad parents I can’t stop mine from interacting with
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Kids need Discipline and Manners.
Ideally from Both parents. Old school thinking was Dad supplied the Discipline and Mom supplied manners.
I feel it is better if both accomplish both.
I believe societal failure is coming from the misuse of screens. Parents taking the easy way out at a early age. Using devices as babysitters. Then expecting schools to deal with behaviors.
Behaviors start at home. Attitudes reflect Leadership if you will.
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I am not that old, but when I was a kid, it was like what you describe and we had the same amount of ah* kids from ah* parents, as there are today. We just did not see them after we left school.
How will you ‘restrict’ access to social media? The internet? Kids are quite resourceful. Kids have friends. As someone who was once a kid; I can attest to their ability to skirt parental control.
It is not a parent’s job to censor and restrict the information that comes to children 24/7. It is also not realistic to tell a kid they cannot have a cell phone. Children, like adults need access to modern communication to function.
The obvious solution is to remove the legal shield that protects these companies from responsibility for the vitriol and hate that they spew into society. Let them face lawyers and judges for their content and algorithms that pit people against one another for clicks and advertising revenue. Legal responsibility will clean things up in a hurry just as it did with the print-media years ago.
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I would say it is a parent’s job to help their children process the so-called information they are exposed to. Much of it will be beyond their ability to understand in a mature and contextually constructive way. That’s where parents step in. A parent who throws their hands up in capitulation is not taking their parenting responsibilities seriously enough.
It would be great if there were legal consequences for irresponsible corporate behavior, but those are being lost more and more every year. In the U.S., we are facing a government poised to deregulate everything and remove every conceivable responsible restriction in the name of corporate growth. Our government can not be trusted to keep any guardrails on late stage capitalism anymore.
Therefore, the responsibility for producing future generations of healthy, educated, responsible adults is entirely in the hands of parents and teachers, whether they like it or not. Government, at least in this country, is not going to be of much help.
Regulation by fining a company to oblivion if they do something that manipulates kids I’m 100% for. There’s no good answer but I’ve locked down my home. I have parental controls on everything, firewall rules on my home network and various time limits on devices in my home that make my own life difficult… My kid has no devices of his own and he is smart he figured out he could take my phone point it at my face and get YouTube so I have a long password. My kid ten started asking me questions about my birthday and favorite food and color. He’s six trying to social engineer my password out of me. The goobers are smart I can’t deny that
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This thread starts to pull me down. I gonna mute it. See you on the flipside!
As a Parent that is navigating Middle School and Cell phones…
With a little effort it is not that difficult. But it does take effort.
We have locked social media on our Sons phone. Website locks in place.
Downloads we get notification on our phones to approve/deny.
We “Can” see all communication. We spot check on occasion.
The couple of incidents were conversation points. Incidents have not been repeated.
We limit Screen time. They still need to be kids and not have their face glued to devices.
It all starts at home. Regulation/ Legal repercussions wont do much in my opinion if the Adults that “Should” be in charge are not. They are already “Allowing” it to happen.
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Each one of your points can be modified to be: “We think…” As I said, kids are good at skirting controls and not getting caught. Once caught, they tend to modify their behavior so they are not caught again. I hope you are right about your kids. But for most; probably not.
As parents, we are fighting a losing battle against the social-media companies that permeate our society. Years ago the media was full of yellow-journalism that spread the same dis-information and untruths just to make a buck. William Randolf Hearst made a fortune from his lies and the fools that bought his rags.
The solution then, was lawyers. Simple, effective and they get paid by the scoundrels themselves. Let the lawyers have at Zuckerberg and his like. They will pick their bones clean.
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I’m trying to imagine a world in which companies like Amazon, Google, Meta, and Tesla are held accountable for anything they do. I just can’t see it.
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Only way to really impact a company like that is to hit them where it really hurts. The stock ticker… if there value is no longer worth it to the share holders the companies will tank hard and fast. Sadly it’ll also result in massive economically devastating layoffs…
Now how do you impact the stock of this big tech firms. Make selling adds and user data no longer profitable. It would kill them all over night.
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How do you do that? Through legislation? I don’t think there will ever be a Congressional body willing to pursue the kind of regulatory action necessary to make that happen.
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