Why don't people compete with hybrids in 1A?

I know the monarch is pretty wide. The ROOC would be iffy, and the Speedaholic FX would be wide enough too

The YYE product page lists the Speedaholic FX at only about 47mm. Plus, it has aluminum rims. A hybrid without SS rims is probably never going to be viewed as a competition-worthy performance yoyo, regardless of the ad copy written by the company that produces it.

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Why is steel necessary for competitive use? Also aluminum weight rings would be better for establishing width since you need more volume of material to achieve the same weight.

Stainless steel is a denser metal than aluminum, which means more weight can be pushed to the outside of the yoyo with less material, providing for more extreme weight distributions without interfering with the shape of the body of the yoyo, which might also be optimized for performance and trick success. Even if you could design a hybrid yoyo using aluminum rings with the same weight distribution and spin time as a design using SS rings, I imagine most players wouldn’t put their competition results on the line for it.

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Yuta Kashiwaya used ASTer to get 16th and that’s only 42.17mm. I’m sure other competitors used narrower yoyos too but it’s a bummer that tech is so hard to place well with and that the current meta does favor tricks made easier by the really wide yoyos. Dang…

I was just meaning that since SS is so dense in comparison to Al that if you’re worried about width on a hybrid you may want to use aluminum.

I wonder if that would still apply if the materials were switched. E.g. the overmolded hub from a Luftverk plastic with pressed on aluminum forming the rest of the body. :thinking:

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The Luftverk plastic “hub” is aluminum. I imagine it would make sense to eventually see more yo-yo with an aluminum hub, plastic response zone, aluminum body and heavy metal rim types of aluminum plastic and heavy metals varying based on availability, cost and production.

P44 VAVILOS (Tri-Material Yoyo) is that yoyo right now. I think if the pre run they do is successful we could see more yo-yos like this in the future as a Pom response zone to reduce drag and a brass weight ring would probably be the closest to min max a yo-yo can go with today’s production capabilities. I imagine there will be someone winning a comp or two with a yo-yo like this in the coming years.

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True. I’m not sure how to specify the entire area that encompasses the aluminum and includes the response. “Guts”?

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Yoyojoker did this in 2012, Yoyofactory tried it in 2020, that’s a very old idea.

It’s a sound idea on paper for reduction drag during horizontal specifically, but realistically it’s probably a minor difference at best and only increases the production costs. If this was actually a game changing idea, the 2012 Double Joker redesign probably wouldn’t be entirely forgotten. It’s cool, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for seeing a big company revisit that idea.

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Yoyofactory has done this a couple times. I wanna say Flame has this but I could be wrong. Worth taking a look

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Would make sense why I wasn’t aware of such things that’s in the decade and a half stretch I wasn’t all that into yoyo or wasn’t connected to the “community” good to know though. I imagine in the last decade manufacturing has shifted in ways that old ideas may have merit again like hybrids coming back when clearly yyj was doing them a long while back. Here’s looking to see what neat things come next.

You are correct, Flame has this as well as the Element from Yoyofactory. And the MagicYoyo Z02 also has this.

The first top yo did it too. The top alpha. Great yoyo.

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