What is normal for a Loop720

I got my 2 Loop720 in the mail today and couldn’t wait to get home and give them a throw. I know these are responsive yoyos but I can only get it to sleep about 1 in 10 times.

They are the Japan edition with the red spacers, on the first one I put on a Kitty first class normal strings.

The second one I tried the sunrise blue spacers set up for the larger bearing of the yoyojam. It also has a Kitty F/C normal string.

I have not put any lube on the bearings.

I want to start learning 2A tricks and not sure if this is normal for these.

Thanks

A statement or two and then a few questions.

The 720 looping yo-yos we’re designed and tested by several of the best 2A players on the 3rd planet from the Sun. My personal opinion is that all yo-yos are a work in progress. No matter how much research and design engineering goes into a yo-yo call it eventually it’s probably released. And then within a few months up to maybe a year after release, after more players around the world offer feedback on the yo-yos, the yo-yos may get slightly tweaked in future releases.

The 720 is the signature yo-yo of one of the best players to ever throw 2A. Shu Takada could probably do a decent to a routine with coffee cups tied to shoelaces. Shu uses the 720’s because they are amazingly efficient loopers.

Now…… that being said, why would you switch over the 1 720 to Sunshine spacers and a different bearing and then ask questions about the function and performance of the yo-yos?

If you are just starting 2A, you should lube the bearings and just throw them stock until you get a better handle on actually learning to loop.

Switching parts out and throwing looping yo-yos dry…… and with the wrong string is not a good recipe for success.

When beginning 2A, loopers that sleep are not a priority. The priority is to get those yo-yos in the air and start practicing your timing.

Contact YYE or YYF, directly for possible string suggestions.

Somebody may tell you a story about how they got a butter knife and carved their own looping yo-yos Out an old wooden rocking chair. And how they made their string from the shoelaces of old army boots. And how they locked themselves in a cave and practiced for 10 hours a day by candlelight. And now they’re really good.

Fortunately in the yo-yo world of today, the equipment is already there. Designed for faster progress. Looping yoyos, custom-made yo-yo string, thin and thick lube as needed, and countless videos that show you how to get rockin from beginning to advanced.

Anybody that gets into throwing yo-yos is by nature going to try experiments and investigate little things on their own. One of the keys do not heading in the right direction is to not personally try to over engineer something that’s already there ready to go. You just gotta put some strings on your fingers and get those lubed yoyos in the air.

Probably the best length strings to start with are approximately 29 to 30 inches complete finished length. That means from the loop end of the string to the actual end of the tied loop. So you start with a string that’s about 36 inches long. Get a ruler and measure from the tiny knot on the end of the unfinished string 4 inches from that point. Get a sharpie and put a dot at that 4 inch measurement. Bring the knotted end over until it touches the dot. Make a fixed loop. That will bring the 36 down to 32. At that point when you fish the string through the loop that you tied that will account for another 2 inches. So, now you’re at 30 inches. Depending on how accurate you do things, you may end up at 29(no big deal).

Very advanced 2A players can use longer string because they have their timing down very well. But when you’re just starting out a shorter string is usually better to help Dial in your timing.

You don’t wanna go too short starting out, because once you get under about 27 inches, you really have to move fast and it creates kind of a mechanical feeling. Just an extra couple inches you’re missing reduces the ability to have a more natural flow and mentally adjust your timing in a more relaxed manner. I’ve seen people using strings about 22 inches long and it looks pretty crazy.

Shu uses and suggests 75cm which equals about 29.3 inches. He spent years dialing in the ideal length for his world beating performances. It’s really nice how he saved a lot of us a whole lot of wasted time trying to figure out a pretty accurate length for effective looping.

Good luck

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If the goal is to learn 2A specifically, take those spacers out. You don’t really want a looping yoyo sleeping at all in most cases.

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Stock Loop 720s with the red spacers are super responsive. Swapping one red spacer for one blue spacer will make them sleep easier when you’re starting to learn 2A tricks that do require some amount of sleep time.

If you’re just starting out with 2A just learn to throw good loops instead of worrying about the setup. You don’t need sleep time to learn how to throw good loops. If you’re already comfortable with 2A, then yes the stock two red spacer setup is meant to be aggressively responsive.

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Thank you for your comments. To answer your questions, I switched them out based on comments I read here in the forum and the internet.

I understand what you are saying about leaving things alone. I will switch back to the stock spacers (Red) and bearings. What lube should I use, thick or thin? I also have some duncan looping lube which looks like thick.

As far as the string, you say using the wrong string can cause issues. What string should I use or is the string that came with them fine?

Thanks again for your help
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The string that came with them is fine. You said you have kitty normal which is also fine. You don’t need lube at the moment, but thick lube is what’s used for looping yoyos. The Duncan looping lube you already have is fine.

Don’t worry about lube/strings/spacers until you have a solid grasp of the fundamentals of looping and can make decisions for yourself based on your own personal play preferences.

They’re good to go as they are out of the package to start learning 2A. Now is just time to pull up some tutorials and start learning.

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If your Loop 720s won’t sleep at all that isn’t normal. The gap on Loop 720s is so small that the natural twists of the string can get snagged. To prevent this, you can stretch out the string at the bearing a bit, either like Shu in his Loop 720 setup video (note his back and forth hand motion when he puts it on the string) or just by tugging like Tyler Hsieh in his raider setup video (note that he holds the yo-yo on the full length string overhead and pulls apart).

I’m a couple of months into 2a and have tried most all of the current 2a yoyos and their assortment of spacers. After screwing everything up I decided to take everything back to stock and not make changes based on what I read or what Shu does but on my play and my strings. I did end up with his settings of one red and one blue but only after playing it with two reds for a while. That said I tried his settings on the 2020 and didn’t like them. I went back to stock and plotted my own path and now have a setting that suits me.

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I set everything back to the out of the box set up, using the stock string (stretched). Seems to be better.

I will leave it alone and work on learning to loop

Thanks

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I was reading a post about the different color spacers and combos of spacers and somebody replied something to the effect of shut up and throw. I laughed because I agreed with both of them. As much fun as it is playing with all the settings at the end of the day repetition is what will make you better.

The best 2a advice I have received is only practice perfect loops. If you get out of shape don’t try to recover it. Instead stop and start again with perfect loops.

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I understand all the posts about messing with the setup, but I feel like they’re a bit harsh.

Anyway, I would also suggest that you keep the setup on the Loop 720s stock. I’m not very sure where you got the idea to use the Sunrise’s spacers and bearings in the Loop 720s, but I wouldn’t recommend it, especially for a beginner. Some of the pros in 2A just use stock Loop 720s so your Loop 720s are definitely normal. Maybe you might have been confused about the different types of spacers that come in the Loop 720s and thought the blue spacers for the Loop 720s were the ones in the Sunrise kit (they are not the same at all, you can only really get the blue spacers for the Loop 720s from YoYoFactory).

Below is the link to the blue spacers that you want (they are sold out, so you can get the purple spacers to achieve a similar effect instead):



Back to your main issue of the Loop 720s not sleeping, it has to do with your technique when throwing the yoyo down. You cannot simply just use the 1A technique of throwing a sleeper and expect the yoyo to sleep, as the gap of the yoyo is very tiny. I go into detail on how to throw a sleeper on a 2A yoyo here:

Thanks Hanker, I thought they were as well. I came to the sight for guidance. Read too many post about combining different spacers and when I saw the sunrise set that is used in the loop I thought it would help. Guess I was wrong.

Everything is back to stock, not expecting it to sleep and have actually been able to do some basic loops.

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Sunrise uses a 720 body with different spacers and bearings. Instead of buying the yoyos, for $11 you can get four spacers and two bearings. It works well and gives a different feel.

I’m an idiot and ordered a bunch of spacers. I heard the green were terrible, purple were great and one red and one blue was the best. I bought spacers in blue, green, red and purple. Or maybe I should say blue and green-red-purple. On my caliper blue is thinner but green-red-purple measure the same to the tenth of a mm. I bought a 720 with retro caps and green spacers that everyone said was terrible but it threw exactly like the ones I got at the same time with purple spacers.

Thats when I decided to plot my own course. But again the key is practice, practice, practice no matter what spacers you use.

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