I mean if he was more transparent then things wouldn’t be where they are right now I imagine. He posted once on this topic so far and from what we’ve heard the results have been abysmal at best. Why not clear the air if things aren’t so bad?
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I am sorry if I write in this topic but what makes me laugh is that usually scammers have a great life until the exact moment when they get the money for the yoyo.
From the moment they have to ship then their life is an inferno of busy appointments and tragedies. Lol
Ah I come from another culture as well (I am Italian), my girlfriend is British (so another culture), and I can say no also in Europe I can confirm we don’t like scammers.
No issues on take the money, that is fast and wanted.
Even thinking that is true that someone has personal issue than has to think to don’t even sell the yoyo in first place or maybe tell the other person before buy “this is happening at the moment shipment can be delayed”, very easy to do!
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I am not one to ever tell someone that there feelings about something are wrong. You can feel how you want about this thread but as far as speculation. Well I don’t quite agree with that. Here are the facts. Clarencelvy sold two throws to me on March 22. That is the day that I sent him $240. That’s a months ago! Over that time he has told me lies, made false promises and now after a month he has not sent my items. He has also not refunded me. Once I made this thread, multiple others have come forward with similar experiences with clarencelvy. He is taking money from people and not sending the items they purchased. So I stand by my statements. They are based on fact not speculation. Clarencelvy is a P.O.S and should be avoided.
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This thread is getting out of hand.
I don’t have time to update the world on everything that is happening behind the scenes. I will try to update soon.
Short version:
I appreciate people coming to the defense of those of us who were screwed in our deals. I don’t like to use the word “scammer” because it implies malicious intent. This could be a case of incompetence and, frankly, stupidity. It is not clear yet. There is (and probably never will be) enough evidence to prove it either way.
If I get the yoyo that he shipped me, then I intend to call it a day. This has cost me more time and effort than it did money at this point.
Others have lost much more than me, and I do not speak for them. From my perspective, this guy is playing games. He has sent me a yoyo that has a retail value greater than the amount I paid him. However, the resale value of this yoyo is about $35 less than what I paid him.
If I receive this yoyo and it is mint condition as claimed, I will cut my losses and move on with my life. I will also inform the community of the facts of my story with minimal editorial bias.
The long story short is this:
This person is one of the following:
- A malicious person attempting to game the BST system for minimal cash gain despite the immense effort it entails.
- Someone who made repeated mistakes and is not trustworthy, and values their own well-being above others.
Either way, he is not a person to deal with. Stay away from him. Case closed. If he makes it right with everyone that has been shafted here, maybe he can regain people’s trust. But it will be very difficult to do so.
There is no speculation here. I do not speculate. I look at this very logically, and we don’t really have to judge this person at all to determine whether he should be allowed to continue trading. It’s simple. He cannot handle it, for one reason or another. And multiple people have suffered losses as a result. I am not a believer in a one-strike-you’re-out system. However, he used like all of his strikes in one go here. He continued to sell things after his account was limited. I have no idea why. He sold the yoyos I bought to someone else, and shipped them, apparently, because I said “fine, just send the refund.” I said this because it was taking too long and he told me “bro I think I just have to refund you.” So I gave up and said do it. But he took that to mean: “Ok I can go sell those yoyos now, even though I didn’t refund his money.” And this, right there, is where it became obvious that he cannot be trusted.
Behind the scenes, multiple people have been patient, kind, and accommodating. I made my purchase on March 12th. I believe I was one of the first people to buy from him. The view from the outside might be that we are jumping to conclusions, but I have done at least 100 deals with people in the BST over the past 3 years. I have sold about 50-100 yoyos and bought many more. Believe me when I tell you that this is abnormal. Again, he fits into one of the two categories I listed above.
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You still want to be sure people do not deal with him/them financially. They are still crooks.
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You guys send money to a random guy in Singapore and you don’t even do G&S ??? No seriously, is that for real ? You might as well send me the money. I’ll scam you and run away with your moolah, but at least I tell you in advance !
If you have someone who speaks Chinese in the bunch of people who were scammed, then call the police in Singapore ? Get organized and take some action, instead of crying here. Mid 2021 when I was scammed by that other Chris Cameron dude, I teamed with the other victims, called the police, and there was quickly some results.
I’m glad that you had time to pursue a legal investigation into a person who scammed you, who was also conveniently in the United States.
I am not crying here. I am being very objective, actually.
Every time I send money with F&F, I am choosing to trust a person. I accept that risk. I have done hundreds of deals with people using only F&F and this is the first time I’ve been taken for a ride. It was bound to happen eventually. I will not bother to explain why the transaction ended up being F&F. I wanted to use G&S at first.
The purpose of this thread is to provide evidence and warn others not to deal with this person. It is not to debate about how people should use paypal, whether or not a person is evil or good, etc. All of those things are irrelevant.
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Actually, I’m kind of curious why you didn’t do G&S. Based on a recent transaction with someone in Canada, given cross-border charges, the amount I paid in F&F was actually slightly higher than what I would have had to top-up for G&S. (Oh PayPal fees and one-sided exchange rates, how I do not love thee.)
No judgment. Just a question.
From what I’ve read, people in Singapore MUST pay G&S to US sellers. There’s no option for F&F. Granted, I have no idea how it works the other way around.
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I landed on this thread and I’ve read every single reply in this thread…
This is the bottom line coming directly from 72 year old ‘street-wise Mo>
When I was a teenager well over a half century ago, I started painting motorcycle parts in my Dads garage. I had no training or experience in making deals that resulted in putting money in my pockets. I wasn’t even sure what to charge waaaay back then. I would ask around for going rates.
My Father wasn’t any kind of astute businessman, but he basically grew up on the Waterfront and he found out a few things real quick.
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If you make a deal, think it out well before you commit.
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Once you make a deal, you follow through, even if you think you cut yourself short. You complete the deal. Your word is your reputation. Your reputation is your Honor. Without Honor you are nothing.
3.Nothing is lower that a person that deliberately makes a one sided deal. Any deal where the dealer knows he is pulling a fast one. When he counts on the trusting nature of fair play, to take advantage of that trust and flat out screw the other person.
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People that play out deals the ‘bad way’ end up in one of two ways: they are just flat out lucky and get away with murder for years and years…… or their game falls apart and they end up wearing ‘concrete shoes’.
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When I really got the Custom paint gig moving along, my Dad told me, ‘You’re either part of problem or part of the solution. A balanced deal may not be remembered forever but a crooked deal will never be forgotten. People by nature, hate getting screwed’.
……So, here we are…… Clarencelvy. I don’t know the guy. I never dealt with the guy. And I can only surmise based on what I have read and heard and not on anything ‘I know to be a fact’.
But based on what I have learned over the decades, this is what I feel.
He has all the basic advantages of a Scammer.
- Trusting people
- Distance from his victims(he certainly wouldn’t pull this stuff on guys from his neighborhood, lol).
- Multiple platforms for his game playing.’
- No easy way to get ahold of him, preferably around the neck.
- No deals really individually big enough to interest any Police Department.
- One of a scammers biggest traits> trying to stall people out with worthless explanations that do nothing but buy more time. Stall tactics involving petty theft level crimes are often very effective because many people simply get so upset and burned out, they just drop out to put it behind them.
- Actions speak way louder than worthless excuses.
If Clarence ‘is not’ by definition, a Scammer, but possibly just a stupid fool that got in over his head, his Primary goal should be Perfectly obvious>
Post a list and own up to the people he currently has on the ‘short end of a deal’.
Satisfy each person he is accused of scamming. And as he rectifies each problem, the victim will post up that he came through and made things right and we cross that name off the list.
Clarence keeps correcting his ‘deals’ until his list is zero.
Anything short of doing something right is doing it wrong.
…….It doesn’t matter what people accuse him of. It doesn’t matter if he did every bad thing he is accused of… or even more, or even less.
Based on the cumulative list of complaints, he is way beyond ‘just being a suspect’.
If…. He wasn’t more than a suspect, he wouldn’t need to try to explain his way along.
It’s all about Honor and Reputation at this point.
You can’t scare somebody from the other side of the Planet.
He stands accused. If he is genuinely guilty and doesn’t care, the most you will ever get out of him is talk.
If he just sits down and reality sets in and he looks in a mirror and says, ‘damn, I really messed up’, then it’s all on him to Unwind the Nightmare he created.
It’s all up to him…
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As far as I know, Singapore is a civilized place, probably even more civilized than the US. Spending energy preparing a can of whoop-a** would accomplish more than writing here
- get the list of people who were scammed and the amounts
- figure out his address. It looks like some people have received packages from him in the past, someone must have his address
- call the police in Singapore near his address, or have a scammed person call them. Or a yoyo-er in Singapore. Since a bunch of people were scammed, there is no reason that they wouldn’t take you seriously. And if they do laugh at you, then so be it, at least you’ll have tried.
When I got scammed and called the sheriff, nobody laughed at me because it was yoyo toys, the sheriff got on his feet and took action.
When I also got scammed 15 years ago for an expensive (2,700$) camera that never showed up, the group of scammed people got together, there was a civil suit, and (almost a year later !) I got my money back.
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Selling the same yoyo to multiple people is not an accident. He is definitely a scammer / thief.
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Wow! I wish there was a way to heart this post a thousand times! I could write posts over and over and not come close to laying it out there the way yoyodoc has. Amen brother!
If I could ad one thing. My intentions are not to have him criminally gone after. I want EVERYONE to know who he is and what he does so they can steer clear! So yes to accomplish that I need to stand on the proverbial mountain and scream at the top of my lungs. And I do not think we should think that is wrong. We are telling the truth about what happened to us! We should all want to know. Especially people who BST on here. So no, this is not crying or whining as someone said. This is truth from the mountain top. Sorry if you don’t like it.
Yoyodoc, amazing wisdom. I applaud you. I just hope some people can learn from your words.
Daniel
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If someone is a thief, why wouldn’t you want them charged?
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That’s a good question fos1.
Maybe a few reasons. I guess I feel getting called out in the community and having this reputation follow him is punishment enough. I can’t imagine anyone on here will ever deal with him again. And to take this to the level of criminal prosecution will require more work than I feel it’s worth.
But your point is taken. He has committed a crime. He should have to live with the consequences.
Daniel
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I am certainly not suggesting that you take on the role of having him prosecuted. But in the collective, he has done this so many times, he deserves prosecution, not that anyone here should go after him. That would be for the authorities wherever he lives.
v/r
Jeff
This has already begun. It’s not being discussed publicly that’s all. It will remain private since personal information is involved. But one of the buyers has already reached out to the local authorities.
Again, the purpose of this thread is to warn others. It cannot solve the problems that have already been created.
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I honestly couldn’t agree more with what you wrote. It is exactly my point of view on this. Thanks for your thoughts. Integrity is the most important thing.
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Also getting scammed by him. Out $215 for a pair of autoscopys. A week after I sent him the money he said his paypal account got shut down and he’s on a work trip and can’t send them out in the foreseeable future.
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You mentioned a week after you sent him the money?
How long ago did you send him the money?
Has he tried staying in touch with you at all or is he just ghosting you now?