He was talking about how binds are affected by loss of spin. I’m saying that a good stiff regen can give a quick little acceleration boost for a decent return.
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My personal opinion, even though I don’t reach for them very often, is that a responsive bearing yo-yo can be great for cleaning up your technique. This isn’t necessarily specific to slim bodied designs, but kinda expanding on my half-joking comment earlier, you can’t be sloppy. If you can pull it off on a responsive yo-yo, odds are you’ll be smooth as silk on an unresponsive. I guess it kinda takes some of the fun out of it if you just look at it as a training tool, but I think there’s validity to it. And yeah I know there are some animals out there who can hit rancid milk with a wooden fixie but the bearing responsive gives mere mortals the same tools.
Edit: All that being said, I love my wooden yo-yos, but I don’t really try to replicate my “regular” 1a play with them. For me, it’s just about changing it up, looking at things a different way. And for what I personally want out of fixed play, I feel like wood is the best option.
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From what I’m reading, there is no compelling reason to choose a modern slimline over a fixed axle for general responsive play.
However, it seems like if I want the option to combine responsive with unresponsive, they have something to offer there.
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They’re just different.
Metal responsive yo-yo’s (the ones I use) are often MORE responsive than their fixed axle counterparts. This means they wind tighter and regen with a bit more power. Stop n Go’s have more juice and stalls tend to land a bit tighter. Also because of the density, the center of mass feels different during flip tricks, etc. Pull starts are easier, Tape Measures are more consistent. So it requires a different approach to the same tricks in some ways (and I tend to find myself doing different tricks, albeit within the same basic style).
I don’t think one or the other is better. I think I’ll always see wood as “home”, but I do think some of the new slim metals out there now make the transition quite a bit easier and enable some new directions of their own. That said, it would be wrong just to look at responsive metals as if they’re training wheels for wood.
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For me, responsive metal helps me more with unresponsive metal. I do the same kinds of tricks on both. Wood is a different approach altogether for me. It’s all personal preference, I know, but I just have no desire to do long 1a tricks on a wood yoyo. Stalls, regens, flips… that’s where it’s at
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True, I have beat a few pretty bad I guess, they all get this kinda chewed up look that doesn’t feel good in the hand
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When I mentioned long combos, I didn’t mean unresponsive tricks. I just meant longer string tricks can be combined with quick return tricks, something that is more difficult with wood. Indeed, when I mentioned a strong flyaway return/dismount it was my way of saying what Ed said about metals often being more responsive due to synthetic response materials.
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I strongly disagree with that statement. A tug responsive yoyo should not need a bind to return. Binds originated so that unresponsive yoyos could be rewound. If it’s not tug responsive, it’s not a responsive yoyo.
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When I say bind in that context I mean a responsive tug bind, because we are talking about responsive YoYos, per the title and first post text.
Try tugging on a suuuper slowly spinning responsive yoyo to see what I mean. The faster you lose that spin, the worse the tug bind is gonna be.
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I can’t bind a super slowly spinning unresponsive yoyo either. For me at least that problem spans the responsive/unresponsive boundary, so the problem isn’t exclusive to responsives, slimline or otherwise.
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A bind is the antithesis of a responsive yoyo. In my limited experience, one cannot get a super slowly spinning yoyo of any type to return reliably with a bind or a tug.
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There’s a final 2018 sale on b-grade Confusions for 20 bucks at the YYF website, I highly recommend this yo-yo!
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Sound good, but I don’t even hvae the $20 to spare, really.
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Went for the confusion, left with the dogma
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How do you like the Dogma?
@codinghorror sent me one a couple of months ago when I first joined up here, and I have to say it is a great yoyo that seems to get absolutely no attention or recognition. It’s not flashy, and doesn’t look like an advanced design or anything, but it sure does play well. A real solid performer.
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Oh I literally just put the order in lol, don’t have it yet. But I feel like it’ll be a good fit for me. When @codinghorror mentioned the sale I checked it out and just couldn’t pass on the dogma. I like TP throws but they have always gotten hate because of their pricing, or maybe not hate necessarily but reluctance to purchase. I think their mono metals are awesome. I’m sure the bimetals are great too I just haven’t tried one
Edit: yeah I always think that’s a cool feeling when you kinda stumble upon a yo-yo that’s been flying under the radar but you try it and love it.
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TP? (I’m confused cuz the Confusion and Dogma are both YYF throws…)
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Turning Point. The dogma was a YYF x TP yo-yo and from what I’ve read it plays a lot like a turning point
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Now that you have a Bolt2, maybe you can explain it to us … just put in a slim C bearing and it’s pretty close to a Confusion in my book, though technically a fair bit wider, it’s not wide at all by modern unresponsive standards! 
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I tried it as a responsive and I really wanted to like it, but I didn’t.
It was plenty responsive enough, but it just felt far too hard hitting for various stalls. Even when I throw it as lightly as I can, it just generates too much spin for me to comfortably perform modern responsive tricks. Perhaps it wasn’t intended to be used for these kinds of tricks.
I don’t see how it could possibly play anything like a Confusion… The shape is far different, the weight is far different, the weight distribution is far different and it uses a C slim bearing instead of an A bearing… I would imagine the Confusion would play a lot friendlier for stall tricks than the Bolt2.
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